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And that seems to anger a lot of people, as if they are invested in the month they've spent inside. People are strange ...

gbasin 7y ago
Indeed, we should try to learn from them instead! https://twitter.com/garybasin/status/1252721673566117895?s=20 https://twitter.com/garybasin/status/1252721673566117895?s=2...
SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
I'm not sure that's fair. I've only seen anger from the same set of people who write angry rants about how everyone wants to kill grandma. Most opinions range from curiosity how conventional wisdom can be so different in Sweden to quiet resignation that the rest of us might have made the problem significantly worse.
notfromhere 7y ago
Herd immunity without a vaccine isn’t a strategy. It’s just justifying doing nothing.
- xiphias2 7y ago
  Not really, if age separation can be achieved efficiently, herd immunity wouldn't be impossible. The problem is that you really need an advanced country to organize separating people by age (making young people get through the virus without passing it to older people).
  - gindely 7y ago
    I would have significantly more respect for the Swedish approach if they had protected their elderly and other vulnerable communities. The fact is that the weak do not account for an unavoidable minority of the deaths. The Swedish approach may get them out the other end before any country aside from China and Vietnam, but the Swedish execution did not save lives by protecting the vulnerable.
    - xiphias2 7y ago
      I agree with you totally. In Hungary our first hospitalization was because of a guy who lives in UK and travelled to Hungary to visit his parents. Of course it was his father who went to hospital, not him.
    - oxymoron 7y ago
      That was the intention, and the actions where designed for it. However, the care of elderly are handled by the municipalities, who didn’t have any readiness for handling it properly. Hopefully some of those mistakes can be avoided outside of Stockholm by more extensive testing of personell.
tomohawk 7y ago
Judging by the downvotes on your comment, you must not have gotten the infographic explainer: https://babylonbee.com/news/infographic-common-covid-19-talking-points-and-what-they-actually-mean https://babylonbee.com/news/infographic-common-covid-19-talk...
microtherion 7y ago
Being on the other side of the opinion spectrum, I see what looks like wishful thinking on the part of the "Herd Immunity" adherents, with a lot of goal post moving. Two weeks ago, many of them lionized Dr. Knut Wittkowski. But now that his forecast of 10000 (sic!) deaths in the US has proven somewhat optimistic, I haven't seen any followups where he explains what he got wrong in his model, and what adjustments to it he's making. Richard Epstein is at least making revisions to his estimate, but unfortunately, he's making them retroactively as well: https://www.bradford-delong.com/2020/04/the-hoover-institutes-richard-epstein-is-an-intellectual-fraudster-pure-and-simple.html https://www.bradford-delong.com/2020/04/the-hoover-institute... A few weeks ago, the UK briefly flirted with a herd immunity strategy. Would anybody today argue that these days were wisely spent? Now, the benchmark du jour is Sweden. Will Sweden still be the benchmark a month from now? Would be nice if it were, but I'm not confident.

gbasin 7y ago

Indeed, we should try to learn from them instead! https://twitter.com/garybasin/status/1252721673566117895?s=20 https://twitter.com/garybasin/status/1252721673566117895?s=2...

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago

I'm not sure that's fair. I've only seen anger from the same set of people who write angry rants about how everyone wants to kill grandma. Most opinions range from curiosity how conventional wisdom can be so different in Sweden to quiet resignation that the rest of us might have made the problem significantly worse.

notfromhere 7y ago

Herd immunity without a vaccine isn’t a strategy. It’s just justifying doing nothing.

xiphias2 7y ago
Not really, if age separation can be achieved efficiently, herd immunity wouldn't be impossible. The problem is that you really need an advanced country to organize separating people by age (making young people get through the virus without passing it to older people).
- gindely 7y ago
  I would have significantly more respect for the Swedish approach if they had protected their elderly and other vulnerable communities. The fact is that the weak do not account for an unavoidable minority of the deaths. The Swedish approach may get them out the other end before any country aside from China and Vietnam, but the Swedish execution did not save lives by protecting the vulnerable.
  - xiphias2 7y ago
    I agree with you totally. In Hungary our first hospitalization was because of a guy who lives in UK and travelled to Hungary to visit his parents. Of course it was his father who went to hospital, not him.
  - oxymoron 7y ago
    That was the intention, and the actions where designed for it. However, the care of elderly are handled by the municipalities, who didn’t have any readiness for handling it properly. Hopefully some of those mistakes can be avoided outside of Stockholm by more extensive testing of personell.

tomohawk 7y ago

Judging by the downvotes on your comment, you must not have gotten the infographic explainer: https://babylonbee.com/news/infographic-common-covid-19-talking-points-and-what-they-actually-mean https://babylonbee.com/news/infographic-common-covid-19-talk...

microtherion 7y ago

Being on the other side of the opinion spectrum, I see what looks like wishful thinking on the part of the "Herd Immunity" adherents, with a lot of goal post moving. Two weeks ago, many of them lionized Dr. Knut Wittkowski. But now that his forecast of 10000 (sic!) deaths in the US has proven somewhat optimistic, I haven't seen any followups where he explains what he got wrong in his model, and what adjustments to it he's making. Richard Epstein is at least making revisions to his estimate, but unfortunately, he's making them retroactively as well: https://www.bradford-delong.com/2020/04/the-hoover-institutes-richard-epstein-is-an-intellectual-fraudster-pure-and-simple.html https://www.bradford-delong.com/2020/04/the-hoover-institute... A few weeks ago, the UK briefly flirted with a herd immunity strategy. Would anybody today argue that these days were wisely spent? Now, the benchmark du jour is Sweden. Will Sweden still be the benchmark a month from now? Would be nice if it were, but I'm not confident.