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Has the R core team publicly stated that they disagree with direction Wickham's Tidyverse is going? Genuinely asking as I love the Tidyverse, but would be inter

by rankam 7y ago

Has the R core team publicly stated that they disagree with direction Wickham's Tidyverse is going? Genuinely asking as I love the Tidyverse, but would be interested to hear arguments against it.

KKPMW 7y ago
I am not sure why the original commenter said that tidyverse is more backwards-compatible compared with R core. It used to introduce breaking changes every 6 months or so. Also they like it this way and promote it: https://twitter.com/hadleywickham/status/1175388442802479104 https://twitter.com/hadleywickham/status/1175388442802479104
- disgruntledphd2 7y ago
  They still do. I like the tidyverse, but Hadley's struggles with lazy evaluation and arguments has cost me lots and lots of time updating internal code at various workplaces. Don't get me wrong, the tidyverse is great, but if I was writing R code that I expected to run without supervision for a long time, I'd avoid it as much as possible.
  - danielecook 7y ago
    If you are looking for a faster, more concise alternative I highly recommend data.table.
    - iron0013 7y ago
      perl is also very concise
  - baldfat 7y ago
    There are more then enough ways to keep it going. This has been address by several tools. Personally I have some tiddy code that is 8 years old and it still is working.
    - mellavora 7y ago
      Yes, and I have plenty of it which does not.
- jasonpbecker 7y ago
  Moving up to a major version (1.0) implies there could have been breaking changes if you follow semver. And including something like `unnest_legacy()` is helpful for people making the transition. Just like `stringsAsFactors=FALSE` happened on a transition from 3.x to 4.x, because it is breaking, dplyr 1.0 had breaking changes.
Tarq0n 7y ago
Hadley is a member of the R foundation for what it's worth: https://www.r-project.org/foundation/members.html https://www.r-project.org/foundation/members.html
- KKPMW 7y ago
  R core and R foundation are different things: https://www.r-project.org/contributors.html https://www.r-project.org/contributors.html

by rankam 7y ago

Has the R core team publicly stated that they disagree with direction Wickham's Tidyverse is going? Genuinely asking as I love the Tidyverse, but would be interested to hear arguments against it.

KKPMW 7y ago

I am not sure why the original commenter said that tidyverse is more backwards-compatible compared with R core. It used to introduce breaking changes every 6 months or so. Also they like it this way and promote it: https://twitter.com/hadleywickham/status/1175388442802479104 https://twitter.com/hadleywickham/status/1175388442802479104

disgruntledphd2 7y ago
They still do. I like the tidyverse, but Hadley's struggles with lazy evaluation and arguments has cost me lots and lots of time updating internal code at various workplaces. Don't get me wrong, the tidyverse is great, but if I was writing R code that I expected to run without supervision for a long time, I'd avoid it as much as possible.
- danielecook 7y ago
  If you are looking for a faster, more concise alternative I highly recommend data.table.
  - iron0013 7y ago
    perl is also very concise
- baldfat 7y ago
  There are more then enough ways to keep it going. This has been address by several tools. Personally I have some tiddy code that is 8 years old and it still is working.
  - mellavora 7y ago
    Yes, and I have plenty of it which does not.
jasonpbecker 7y ago
Moving up to a major version (1.0) implies there could have been breaking changes if you follow semver. And including something like `unnest_legacy()` is helpful for people making the transition. Just like `stringsAsFactors=FALSE` happened on a transition from 3.x to 4.x, because it is breaking, dplyr 1.0 had breaking changes.

Tarq0n 7y ago

Hadley is a member of the R foundation for what it's worth: https://www.r-project.org/foundation/members.html https://www.r-project.org/foundation/members.html

KKPMW 7y ago
R core and R foundation are different things: https://www.r-project.org/contributors.html https://www.r-project.org/contributors.html