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Looking through the features Gnome 3.36 - X11 fractional scaling. I got all excited, because this means that now finally Ubuntu will be usable on my Lenov

by LeonM 7y ago

Looking through the features Gnome 3.36 - X11 fractional scaling. I got all excited, because this means that now finally Ubuntu will be usable on my Lenovo X1E with High-DPI display. But then further down below: Fractional scaling does not work with the NVIDIA proprietary driver (bug 1870736, bug 1873403). OK, nevermind, back to Windows with WSL...

globular-toast 7y ago
Throw your nVidia card in the bin and be free. After many years with nVidia I removed the card and I've been happily using Intel hardware for a year now.
- LeonM 7y ago
  Lenovo X1E is a laptop... So removing the GPU will be a bit of a challenge ;) I thought of turning the GPU off under Linux, but external displays (through the thunderbolt port) can only be used with the nVidia GPU. I need external displays for my work, so disabling the nVidia GPU is not an option for me.
  - devit 7y ago
    You may be able to either: - Use Nouveau instead of the proprietary driver - Use a nested X/wayland server, which should then presumably support fractional scaling - Use non-fractional scaling and adjust font sizes
- speedgoose 7y ago
  I guess you don't play videogames on your computer.
- vesinisa 7y ago
  Desolder the NVIDIA card on a laptop?
  - panpanna 7y ago
    Or just disable it in bios?
- graynk 7y ago
  Because God forbid you actually have to use the card you paid for, oh no, we can't have that. No one should work with machine learning, edit video or play games, Intel HD should be enough for everybody /s
- ipsum2 7y ago
  How's ML training on Intel integrated graphics? :)
  - globular-toast 7y ago
    Do you have to use the nvidia as your graphics adapter if you are only using it for ML training?
    - ipsum2 7y ago
      It definitely won't work in the bin.
- mciancia 7y ago
  Throw your Linux OS in the bin and be free. After many years with Linux I removed it and I've been happily using Apple/Windows hardware for a year now. /s
  - globular-toast 7y ago
    The commenter is lamenting the fact that he can't run Ubuntu. I, on the other hand, am perfectly happy with what I have.
Tenoke 7y ago
I'm afraid to update and check the different displays scaling.. It's going to be absurdly hard to setup in a non-terrible way again, I guess.
k_bx 7y ago
Interestingly enough, Fractal scaling worked for me in 18.04, but it doesn't work in 20.04 (the thing just crashes). Anyways, hoping for a fix
Aissen 7y ago
Yet another proof that proprietary drivers are hindering innovation and holding back Linux desktops, not helping them.
pedrocr 7y ago
Just set font scaling to 1.3x or whatever it is you need and everything works great. I've been doing that for many years for 1440p in a laptop. Ubuntu actually regressed there since switching back to GNOME from Unity. In Unity font scaling was neatly exposed in the same slider as integer scaling and all apps used that setting. Now I have to set one thing for GNOME and another for Firefox to get the same effect. "Proper" fractional scaling is a waste of resources in most situations. It's only really worth it if you want really consistent sizing of things when you have several screens with very different DPIs.
- pantalaimon 7y ago
  Unity still exists, it got renamed to Lomiri - you should still be able to install that. So maybe that feature still works.
  - pedrocr 7y ago
    I've switched to sway now and have that done manually like many other things to make them "just right". I just meant that the default Ubuntu desktop regressed on that from the Unity to GNOME switch. It was one of the things that I thought Unity had done particularly well within the constraints of what the software could do but very few people seem to know about it. I've explained how to get font scaling to dozens of people online to fix their issues. For most people it's just a much better solution than the much awaited fractional scaling.
    - pantalaimon 7y ago
      > I just meant that the default Ubuntu desktop regressed on that from the Unity to GNOME switch. I already felt like that with the switch from Gnome 2 to Unity. I switched to Mate as a result.
- Tenoke 7y ago
  As someone who uses Ubuntu on multiple machines, does this and uses a high DPI laptop display AND an external display, this only sort of works and the outcome is much worse than what Windows or MacOS do out of the box. Honestly, I don't get how the Ubuntu ecosystem is so much worse at handling something so basic, when other OSes have had almost no issues with it for over a decade..
pantalaimon 7y ago
Does the Nvidia chip drive the display directly? I think you also have an Intel GPU that drives the display, the Nvidia GPU will only be used to offload rendering. I don't know how it is implemented, but from my understanding, as long as the Intel chiip does the scaling you should be fine.
- mcjiggerlog 7y ago
  If you only ever want to use the laptop's screen then you can indeed run the X1E on the intel gpu only. Unfortunately the display ports are hardwired to the discrete gpu so you need run the nvidia chip in that case.
  - reirob 7y ago
    Confirming this. When I bought X1E it was a pain to get 18.04 working. But 18.04 on this device was for me the worst Linux experience since the 90s :-( It is probably because of Nvidia, but I blame Gnome too - the latency got worse than 20 years ago. I just want to be able to type on the terminal and have a browser. Am now to leave Ubuntu, that I used for the last 15 years or so. Thanks for helping me out that long. Going to NixOS and hope it will make my life easier, even if the start is more involved.
ThePhysicist 7y ago
I can recommend Kubuntu, KDE has better support for fractional scaling and is a very usable and distraction-free window manager. In general I'd try to stay away from NVIDIA drivers on Linux, unless you're doing GPU-intensive work the embedded graphics is often the better choice as it's less power-hungry as well and sufficient for most tasks.
- distances 7y ago
  And for KDE+Ubuntu it's always advisable to also check the official KDE distro KDE Neon, based on Ubuntu LTS. I don't know of the timeline for 20.04 based version though.
  - nanna 7y ago
    What's the advantage of Neon over Kubuntu?
    - distances 7y ago
      Up to date and optimally integrated KDE directly from the project. Looks like 18.04 came for KDE Neon only in August 2018, so that's a bit slower process then I suppose.
- rhinoceraptor 7y ago
  KDE is also a lot less garish than it used to be. That was the one thing holding me back from using it.
dsego 7y ago
Can you do scaling with xrandr? I scale gnome to 2x and then have this line in my .xprofile: xrandr --output eDP-1 --scale 1.4x1.4 I disable it whenever playing video games on steam.
- Tenoke 7y ago
  Setting up scaling via xrandr when you have multiple (different-sized) displays is probably doable but incredibly tricky.
  - e12e 7y ago
    If you're not letting gnome manage the settings for you, arandr and autorandr can help (the first for adjusting, the second for saving/restoring profiles): https://christian.amsuess.com/tools/arandr/ https://christian.amsuess.com/tools/arandr/ https://github.com/wertarbyte/autorandr https://github.com/wertarbyte/autorandr
Raphael 7y ago
This is surprising to learn, since I am using nvidia-driver-435 and fractional scaling (150%) on one monitor.

by LeonM 7y ago

globular-toast 7y ago

Throw your nVidia card in the bin and be free. After many years with nVidia I removed the card and I've been happily using Intel hardware for a year now.

LeonM 7y ago
Lenovo X1E is a laptop... So removing the GPU will be a bit of a challenge ;) I thought of turning the GPU off under Linux, but external displays (through the thunderbolt port) can only be used with the nVidia GPU. I need external displays for my work, so disabling the nVidia GPU is not an option for me.
- devit 7y ago
  You may be able to either: - Use Nouveau instead of the proprietary driver - Use a nested X/wayland server, which should then presumably support fractional scaling - Use non-fractional scaling and adjust font sizes
speedgoose 7y ago
I guess you don't play videogames on your computer.
vesinisa 7y ago
Desolder the NVIDIA card on a laptop?
- panpanna 7y ago
  Or just disable it in bios?
graynk 7y ago
Because God forbid you actually have to use the card you paid for, oh no, we can't have that. No one should work with machine learning, edit video or play games, Intel HD should be enough for everybody /s
ipsum2 7y ago
How's ML training on Intel integrated graphics? :)
- globular-toast 7y ago
  Do you have to use the nvidia as your graphics adapter if you are only using it for ML training?
  - ipsum2 7y ago
    It definitely won't work in the bin.
mciancia 7y ago
Throw your Linux OS in the bin and be free. After many years with Linux I removed it and I've been happily using Apple/Windows hardware for a year now. /s
- globular-toast 7y ago
  The commenter is lamenting the fact that he can't run Ubuntu. I, on the other hand, am perfectly happy with what I have.

Tenoke 7y ago

I'm afraid to update and check the different displays scaling.. It's going to be absurdly hard to setup in a non-terrible way again, I guess.

k_bx 7y ago

Interestingly enough, Fractal scaling worked for me in 18.04, but it doesn't work in 20.04 (the thing just crashes). Anyways, hoping for a fix

Aissen 7y ago

Yet another proof that proprietary drivers are hindering innovation and holding back Linux desktops, not helping them.

pedrocr 7y ago

Just set font scaling to 1.3x or whatever it is you need and everything works great. I've been doing that for many years for 1440p in a laptop. Ubuntu actually regressed there since switching back to GNOME from Unity. In Unity font scaling was neatly exposed in the same slider as integer scaling and all apps used that setting. Now I have to set one thing for GNOME and another for Firefox to get the same effect. "Proper" fractional scaling is a waste of resources in most situations. It's only really worth it if you want really consistent sizing of things when you have several screens with very different DPIs.

pantalaimon 7y ago
Unity still exists, it got renamed to Lomiri - you should still be able to install that. So maybe that feature still works.
- pedrocr 7y ago
  I've switched to sway now and have that done manually like many other things to make them "just right". I just meant that the default Ubuntu desktop regressed on that from the Unity to GNOME switch. It was one of the things that I thought Unity had done particularly well within the constraints of what the software could do but very few people seem to know about it. I've explained how to get font scaling to dozens of people online to fix their issues. For most people it's just a much better solution than the much awaited fractional scaling.
  - pantalaimon 7y ago
    > I just meant that the default Ubuntu desktop regressed on that from the Unity to GNOME switch. I already felt like that with the switch from Gnome 2 to Unity. I switched to Mate as a result.
Tenoke 7y ago
As someone who uses Ubuntu on multiple machines, does this and uses a high DPI laptop display AND an external display, this only sort of works and the outcome is much worse than what Windows or MacOS do out of the box. Honestly, I don't get how the Ubuntu ecosystem is so much worse at handling something so basic, when other OSes have had almost no issues with it for over a decade..

pantalaimon 7y ago

Does the Nvidia chip drive the display directly? I think you also have an Intel GPU that drives the display, the Nvidia GPU will only be used to offload rendering. I don't know how it is implemented, but from my understanding, as long as the Intel chiip does the scaling you should be fine.

mcjiggerlog 7y ago
If you only ever want to use the laptop's screen then you can indeed run the X1E on the intel gpu only. Unfortunately the display ports are hardwired to the discrete gpu so you need run the nvidia chip in that case.
- reirob 7y ago
  Confirming this. When I bought X1E it was a pain to get 18.04 working. But 18.04 on this device was for me the worst Linux experience since the 90s :-( It is probably because of Nvidia, but I blame Gnome too - the latency got worse than 20 years ago. I just want to be able to type on the terminal and have a browser. Am now to leave Ubuntu, that I used for the last 15 years or so. Thanks for helping me out that long. Going to NixOS and hope it will make my life easier, even if the start is more involved.

ThePhysicist 7y ago

I can recommend Kubuntu, KDE has better support for fractional scaling and is a very usable and distraction-free window manager. In general I'd try to stay away from NVIDIA drivers on Linux, unless you're doing GPU-intensive work the embedded graphics is often the better choice as it's less power-hungry as well and sufficient for most tasks.

distances 7y ago
And for KDE+Ubuntu it's always advisable to also check the official KDE distro KDE Neon, based on Ubuntu LTS. I don't know of the timeline for 20.04 based version though.
- nanna 7y ago
  What's the advantage of Neon over Kubuntu?
  - distances 7y ago
    Up to date and optimally integrated KDE directly from the project. Looks like 18.04 came for KDE Neon only in August 2018, so that's a bit slower process then I suppose.
rhinoceraptor 7y ago
KDE is also a lot less garish than it used to be. That was the one thing holding me back from using it.

dsego 7y ago

Can you do scaling with xrandr? I scale gnome to 2x and then have this line in my .xprofile: xrandr --output eDP-1 --scale 1.4x1.4 I disable it whenever playing video games on steam.

Tenoke 7y ago
Setting up scaling via xrandr when you have multiple (different-sized) displays is probably doable but incredibly tricky.
- e12e 7y ago
  If you're not letting gnome manage the settings for you, arandr and autorandr can help (the first for adjusting, the second for saving/restoring profiles): https://christian.amsuess.com/tools/arandr/ https://christian.amsuess.com/tools/arandr/ https://github.com/wertarbyte/autorandr https://github.com/wertarbyte/autorandr

Raphael 7y ago

This is surprising to learn, since I am using nvidia-driver-435 and fractional scaling (150%) on one monitor.