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Totalitarian China hasn't made any efforts to close its wet markets, which are the claimed source. They also have not blanketly denied the lab's involvement wi

Totalitarian China hasn't made any efforts to close its wet markets, which are the claimed source. They also have not blanketly denied the lab's involvement with the virus. They've only hinted in non-scientific language that they didn't directly manipulate the genome (with CRISPR or something). The conspiracy is by the media Cathedral for suggesting racism is the source of the demand for answers. I have no idea where the virus came from. But we're definitely not getting accurate info in this area.

jacquesm 7y ago
Not getting accurate info is no reason to spread inaccurate info.
- Consultant32452 7y ago
  I think I see our disconnect. You are focused on people questioning the origin of the virus as a conspiracy. I'm focused on the lies/credibility of the people in charge. It doesn't matter where the virus came from. The supposedly credible people haven't been answering honestly. First they gave very narrow responses, then they accused people of being racist for calling them out on the narrow, useless response.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    You don't attribute any of those comments to the WHO trying to get a handle on an evolving situation, and instead to deliberate lies, even though they have changed their recommendations as time passed? And you're grouping all these groups mistakes together when that's not really fair to the different groups.
    - Consultant32452 7y ago
      https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160 https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/12337257852839321... The Surgeon General makes two claims in this single tweet. The first is that masks won't protect YOU from catching the virus. The second is that it will protect healthcare workers. Reading that first claim as anything but a lie intended to manage your behavior is generous beyond credulity. He told you it was a lie in his second claim. He couldn't even separate these claims into two tweets, much less some period of time when new scientific information might have been discovered.
      - gvjddbnvdrbv 7y ago
        To be fair the way the average person wears a mask it won't protect them.
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        Consultant32452 7y ago
        Literally anything that increases the friction between you and the virus protects you. Even a snorkel, with no filter at all, which forces the water droplets carrying virus to travel farther and around a few corners will likely provide you with some tiny bit of protection. It will do so because the extra turns increases the odds that the droplet will hit a surface or something and get stuck before entering your airway. It's very reasonable to suggest that a trained professional with years of experience in dealing with contamination will have better results from PPE than an average person. But that's a wildly different claim than masks do not offer the general public any protection.
        gvjddbnvdrbv 7y ago
        It takes very few viral particles to catch covid.
        Consultant32452 7y ago
        Any protection greater than zero is still some protection. Reducing odds of getting it by 0.01% is a huge number of people at scale when you're estimating over a million people dying and 100+ million getting it.
        gvjddbnvdrbv 7y ago
        I agree. I wear a mask and wish others would.
    - Consultant32452 7y ago
      I'm watching the coronavirus task force press release right now and the Surgeon General just doubled down and said masks don't protect you from getting the virus, and that medical professionals need them because it protects medical professionals. So he's still lying to you. My belief is they are deliberately lying because they are managing you rather than informing you. The lie is to encourage compliance on turning over masks to the medical professionals. But even if I'm as generous as possible about their intent, it still has destroyed their credibility.
      - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
        American public messaging is trying to draw a distinction between proper masks (surgical and N95, needed for medical professionals, no reason for you or I to get them) and coverings (just any piece of cloth in front of our face holes). It seems convoluted but I think it's no longer dishonest.
        Consultant32452 7y ago
        The part where they claim a proper mask, like N95, wouldn't provide you any protection is dishonest.

jacquesm 7y ago

Not getting accurate info is no reason to spread inaccurate info.

Consultant32452 7y ago
I think I see our disconnect. You are focused on people questioning the origin of the virus as a conspiracy. I'm focused on the lies/credibility of the people in charge. It doesn't matter where the virus came from. The supposedly credible people haven't been answering honestly. First they gave very narrow responses, then they accused people of being racist for calling them out on the narrow, useless response.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  You don't attribute any of those comments to the WHO trying to get a handle on an evolving situation, and instead to deliberate lies, even though they have changed their recommendations as time passed? And you're grouping all these groups mistakes together when that's not really fair to the different groups.
  - Consultant32452 7y ago
    https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160 https://twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/12337257852839321... The Surgeon General makes two claims in this single tweet. The first is that masks won't protect YOU from catching the virus. The second is that it will protect healthcare workers. Reading that first claim as anything but a lie intended to manage your behavior is generous beyond credulity. He told you it was a lie in his second claim. He couldn't even separate these claims into two tweets, much less some period of time when new scientific information might have been discovered.
    - gvjddbnvdrbv 7y ago
      To be fair the way the average person wears a mask it won't protect them.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - Consultant32452 7y ago
        Literally anything that increases the friction between you and the virus protects you. Even a snorkel, with no filter at all, which forces the water droplets carrying virus to travel farther and around a few corners will likely provide you with some tiny bit of protection. It will do so because the extra turns increases the odds that the droplet will hit a surface or something and get stuck before entering your airway. It's very reasonable to suggest that a trained professional with years of experience in dealing with contamination will have better results from PPE than an average person. But that's a wildly different claim than masks do not offer the general public any protection.
        gvjddbnvdrbv 7y ago
        It takes very few viral particles to catch covid.
        Consultant32452 7y ago
        Any protection greater than zero is still some protection. Reducing odds of getting it by 0.01% is a huge number of people at scale when you're estimating over a million people dying and 100+ million getting it.
        gvjddbnvdrbv 7y ago
        I agree. I wear a mask and wish others would.
  - Consultant32452 7y ago
    I'm watching the coronavirus task force press release right now and the Surgeon General just doubled down and said masks don't protect you from getting the virus, and that medical professionals need them because it protects medical professionals. So he's still lying to you. My belief is they are deliberately lying because they are managing you rather than informing you. The lie is to encourage compliance on turning over masks to the medical professionals. But even if I'm as generous as possible about their intent, it still has destroyed their credibility.
    - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
      American public messaging is trying to draw a distinction between proper masks (surgical and N95, needed for medical professionals, no reason for you or I to get them) and coverings (just any piece of cloth in front of our face holes). It seems convoluted but I think it's no longer dishonest.
      - Consultant32452 7y ago
        The part where they claim a proper mask, like N95, wouldn't provide you any protection is dishonest.