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I don't know whether they will be around forever, but if we assume they're not trying to scam people, the math can be done. How much does storage amount X cost

I don't know whether they will be around forever, but if we assume they're not trying to scam people, the math can be done. How much does storage amount X cost per year (=$Y), how much money would you need to continuously generate $Y per year? The one-time fee you'd need is $Y. Whether their math is sound, I have no idea. Whether it's a good idea I don't know either. I don't need "permanent" storage as in "for ever and ever and ever". But that's not necessarily a scam.

pbhjpbhj 7y ago
I think people all seek a permanent legacy of some sort. I don't think our digital junk really fits. There are IRL costs to hoarding junk; I'm really not sure any benefits - of keeping _all_ someone's digital miscellany - justify those costs?
- ardy42 7y ago
  > I think people all seek a permanent legacy of some sort. I don't think our digital junk really fits. There are IRL costs to hoarding junk; I'm really not sure any benefits - of keeping _all_ someone's digital miscellany - justify those costs? I think with a lot of things there's a J shaped value curve. Over long periods of time, things of small value (including literal garbage) become historical and archeological treasure. Also this doesn't seems like it's really mean to be storage for random "junk": > Permanent.org isn't just another digital box or drive. It's a digital archive. > Upload your most important digital materials to your archive and customize the archive profile to represent you. Create multiple archives for other people and organizations. Then establish relationships to share materials between them and create everlasting connections. Collaborate with your community by adding members to any archive to curate a shared history. That implies there's a certain level of curation that's supposed to go into the archive, so more diaries and important records than your "Downloads" folder.
  - luckylion 7y ago
    > I think with a lot of things there's a J shaped value curve. Over long periods of time, things of small value (including literal garbage) become historical and archeological treasure. Isn't that mostly because of it becoming a rare insight into a time that is long gone? With perfect preservation, would literal scraps of garbage from 10k years ago be individually interesting?
rechristened 7y ago
And keep in mind the cost per Gigabyte stored is going to decrease over time.
- jopsen 7y ago
  The math will work out, sure.. The question is if you can trust this non-profit? Maybe if other credible non-profits were backing it.
  - rechristened 7y ago
    Their governing board includes Brewster Kahle (Internet Archive), Mark Surman (Mozilla Foundation), Stephan Wolfram (Wolfram Alpha), and Paul Vixie (Internet Systems Consortium).

pbhjpbhj 7y ago

I think people all seek a permanent legacy of some sort. I don't think our digital junk really fits. There are IRL costs to hoarding junk; I'm really not sure any benefits - of keeping _all_ someone's digital miscellany - justify those costs?

ardy42 7y ago
> I think people all seek a permanent legacy of some sort. I don't think our digital junk really fits. There are IRL costs to hoarding junk; I'm really not sure any benefits - of keeping _all_ someone's digital miscellany - justify those costs? I think with a lot of things there's a J shaped value curve. Over long periods of time, things of small value (including literal garbage) become historical and archeological treasure. Also this doesn't seems like it's really mean to be storage for random "junk": > Permanent.org isn't just another digital box or drive. It's a digital archive. > Upload your most important digital materials to your archive and customize the archive profile to represent you. Create multiple archives for other people and organizations. Then establish relationships to share materials between them and create everlasting connections. Collaborate with your community by adding members to any archive to curate a shared history. That implies there's a certain level of curation that's supposed to go into the archive, so more diaries and important records than your "Downloads" folder.
- luckylion 7y ago
  > I think with a lot of things there's a J shaped value curve. Over long periods of time, things of small value (including literal garbage) become historical and archeological treasure. Isn't that mostly because of it becoming a rare insight into a time that is long gone? With perfect preservation, would literal scraps of garbage from 10k years ago be individually interesting?

rechristened 7y ago

And keep in mind the cost per Gigabyte stored is going to decrease over time.

jopsen 7y ago
The math will work out, sure.. The question is if you can trust this non-profit? Maybe if other credible non-profits were backing it.
- rechristened 7y ago
  Their governing board includes Brewster Kahle (Internet Archive), Mark Surman (Mozilla Foundation), Stephan Wolfram (Wolfram Alpha), and Paul Vixie (Internet Systems Consortium).