3 ms·

I will cry the day that a closed ecosystem device becomes peoples' primary computing device.

by drivebyacct2 16y ago

rglullis 16y ago
Compared to the current situation, with 90%+ of the population using Windows or Mac?
- drivebyacct2 16y ago
  Those aren't closed ecosystems. OS != ecosystem.
  - rglullis 16y ago
    You are correct. Sorry I misinterpreted what you meant. However, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a completely closed Mac/PC ecosystem in the future. Not now, but in the the next 5-10 years. As things move more and more "to the cloud" and the desktop becomes a dumb terminal, the easier it is for Apple to just tell everyone that they must go through the App Store.
- jpr 16y ago
  Windows, which is by itself in the ~90% range, is not and has never been a closed ecosystem. You can easily install any piece of software you find anywhere. MS is even falling over themselves to give you free developer tools.
  - code_duck 16y ago
    Years back, before Vista was released, people were very concerned that MS might move to do in Windows what Apple has done - lock down Windows so that any software requires digital signing to execute. They did introduce that dialog which warns you when software is not signed, but of course MS didn't take this to the degree that Apple has. While it's a great way to take care of malware, I really don't think Apple's vision of the future is one I want to compute in.
    - Dylan16807 16y ago
      Are you talking about the dialog that appears for unsigned drivers, or something I missed?
      - code_duck 16y ago
        Sorry, I guess it's more specific : when you try to execute an unsigned .exe that needs Admin permission, UAC will tell you "An unidentified program wants to access your computer". If it's signed, it displays the identity of the signer. You can set Windows to only allow signed applications to run, too: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd723683(WS.10).aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd723683(WS.10).a...
- bad_user 16y ago
  I can install on those Windows / Mac machines whatever I want, from whatever source I want; and to build stuff for them I don't have to suffer that $99 registration process and I'm also free to use whatever tools I want, as I don't have Apple's EULA to worry about. That 90% of the population you're talking about really is using "personal computers". The iPad is just a "rented" piece of hardware, which you can use only in ways that pass Apple's approval. That's pretty far from "personal" to me.

I will cry the day that a closed ecosystem device becomes peoples' primary computing device.

rglullis 16y ago

Compared to the current situation, with 90%+ of the population using Windows or Mac?

drivebyacct2 16y ago
Those aren't closed ecosystems. OS != ecosystem.
- rglullis 16y ago
  You are correct. Sorry I misinterpreted what you meant. However, I wouldn't be too surprised to see a completely closed Mac/PC ecosystem in the future. Not now, but in the the next 5-10 years. As things move more and more "to the cloud" and the desktop becomes a dumb terminal, the easier it is for Apple to just tell everyone that they must go through the App Store.
jpr 16y ago
Windows, which is by itself in the ~90% range, is not and has never been a closed ecosystem. You can easily install any piece of software you find anywhere. MS is even falling over themselves to give you free developer tools.
- code_duck 16y ago
  Years back, before Vista was released, people were very concerned that MS might move to do in Windows what Apple has done - lock down Windows so that any software requires digital signing to execute. They did introduce that dialog which warns you when software is not signed, but of course MS didn't take this to the degree that Apple has. While it's a great way to take care of malware, I really don't think Apple's vision of the future is one I want to compute in.
  - Dylan16807 16y ago
    Are you talking about the dialog that appears for unsigned drivers, or something I missed?
    - code_duck 16y ago
      Sorry, I guess it's more specific : when you try to execute an unsigned .exe that needs Admin permission, UAC will tell you "An unidentified program wants to access your computer". If it's signed, it displays the identity of the signer. You can set Windows to only allow signed applications to run, too: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd723683(WS.10).aspx http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd723683(WS.10).a...
bad_user 16y ago
I can install on those Windows / Mac machines whatever I want, from whatever source I want; and to build stuff for them I don't have to suffer that $99 registration process and I'm also free to use whatever tools I want, as I don't have Apple's EULA to worry about. That 90% of the population you're talking about really is using "personal computers". The iPad is just a "rented" piece of hardware, which you can use only in ways that pass Apple's approval. That's pretty far from "personal" to me.