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Kim Jong Un in Critical Condition
- doh 6y ago“Reuters: South Korea govt says Kim Jong Un is not seriously ill - Yonhap” https://twitter.com/rover829/status/1252428970760388610?s=21 https://twitter.com/rover829/status/1252428970760388610?s=21
- maallooc 6y agoEven South Koreans don't trust their government in terms of NK news.
- summerlight 6y agohttps://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2396104334013025&id=100008404450908 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2396104334... Well, I would rather trust S.K. officials than U.S. officials in the current administration. Even Joo Seong-Ha, one of the most trustworthy source for North Korea, asserts that this is a 100% false report.
- pizza 6y agoThe title "CNN says Kim Jong Un in Critical Condition" would be better. Best to hedge the statement before more info comes to light.
- dlivingston 6y agoI’m certain I’ll get downvoted to oblivion for this, but... https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1250694035984969732?s=20 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1250694035984969732?s=20
- Rapzid 6y agoThey were reporting what they were told, and didn't that turn out to be true that no "ventilators" were delivered? I believe I read a follow-up article on that.
- maallooc 6y agohttps://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1250698888731701248 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1250698888731701248 Yeah, probably he delivered Resmed CPAP machines with firmware, I suppose.
- adventured 6y agoThe last I saw on it was this: "Elon Musk says he sent ventilators to California hospitals, they say they got something else instead" https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/tech/elon-musk-ventilators-california/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/tech/elon-musk-ventilators-ca...
- minimaxir 6y agoMusk's response to that article was to double-down on semantics, arguing that CPAP machines still count as ventilators: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1251663844860063746 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1251663844860063746
- maallooc 6y agoAm I the stupid one or is his twitter filled with his brain-dead supporters? Do they seriously think hospitals can't buy CPAP machines now? They can but are not doing it because CPAP machines don't have the accuracy, mission criticalness, gas control and patient monitoring needed.
- smsm42 6y agoThey surely can buy, but getting them for free is better?
- Justin_K 6y agoHe delivered cpaps that were modified. Not real ventilators.
- smsm42 6y agoThese machines are used for people needing breathing assistance too. Not everybody needs invasive ventilators. Quote from the very same CNN: "They have been distributed to hospitals in our system and are being used as intended," said Kathleen Piché, Director of Public Information for L.A. County Department of Health Services. "These units are used for breathing and airway support, reducing the need for certain patients to be placed on mechanical ventilation." https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-intl-04-16-20/h_c36b44680592cf560a6d83032f882ca6 https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic... So CNN's claim reduces to "he delivered machines which are being used by hospitals for exactly the same purpose the hospitals needed them but since it's not the kind of machines we thought of and we can't use more than one word to describe them he's still somehow bad. Oh and also these machines are cheaper so he is bad for donating cheaper stuff too, because donating million dollars worth of medical equipment is just bullshit. We never did something like that but surely it's super easy." If CNN had any decency left, they'd apologize for trying to turn somebody donating a million dollars of equipment to hospitals needing it to a bad guy. But it's CNN we are talking about.
- smsm42 6y agoBy the way: https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disease-covid-19/uchicago-medicine-doctors-see-truly-remarkable-success-using-ventilator-alternatives-to-treat-covid19 https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/coronavirus-disea...
- omot 6y agoImplications?
- macintux 6y agoIf it’s true, instability in a rogue state with nuclear weapons and a loaded gun pointing at Seoul. The possibility of a flood of refugees entering China when it’s struggling to contain a new deadly virus. So, hard to say, but unlikely to be good implications.
- koolba 6y agoIf you’re a North Korean barely not starving to death, it’ll likely be an improvement. Hell, enough turmoil that you don’t get shot when fleeing across the border would be an improvement.
- tasogare 6y agoYou are assuming most people want to quit their country, with of no proof or argument. If anything, a bunch of defectors into the South are disappointed by what they found there. Also it’s not the NK government starving its citizens to death (that strategy doesn’t make sense to keep the power), it’s the US by imposing economic sanctions. The live of the people in this country would improve if they were allow to do business with the rest of the world. Finally, the divide exists uniquely because of US intervention, and the state would probably have normalized its relationships to the world by now, like China and Vietnam did, if there wasn’t the forced antagonism caused by an enemy state existing just South.
- anthonybullard 6y agoYou very clearly no little about the political and economic philosophy of the country(Juche). From Wikipedia: > The Juche theory is the belief that through self-reliance and a strong independent state, true socialism can be achieved. This isn't really started strongly enough about their views (or at least what they tell their citizens) as regards self-reliance. Most of the famines there have been caused by incompetence. But they are called the Hermit Kingdom for a reason. They want to do it themselves. They have the resources to create nuclear weapons, but not feed their population? I honestly don't understand how people can make excuses for a regime that had literally provided no value to their people or the world except for war, murder, and suffering. Note: Was a Korean linguist in a branch of the US military. Might make some people think I was brainwashed, but actually just gave me actual context on the country and it's people.
- 0xy 6y agoTranslation: CIA source says Kim Jong Un in Critical Condition, despite being wrong dozens of times before.
- Kemwer 6y agoExactly my thoughts
- apl002 6y agothis 'article' is practically a tweet. And it cited CNN as the source which should be taken with a grain of salt
- Koshkin 6y agoI forget which of the pizza chains he owns (Papa Jong’s or Pizzeria Un).
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- pscoutou 6y agoOriginal news story that triggered this - https://www.dailynk.com/김정은-최근-심혈관-시술-받았다여전히-특각서-치/ https://www.dailynk.com/김정은-최근-심혈관-시술-받았다여전히-특각서-치/
- pscoutou 6y agoBased on their Wikipedia page, DailyNK appear to have good sourcing within the NK regime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_NK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_NK
- maallooc 6y agoCNN reports that Kim is in serious condition citing 2 individual US officials. https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/20/politics/kim-jong-un-north-korea/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/20/politics/kim-jong-un-nort... According to a reporter for NBC citing 2 individual US officials, US officials believe Kim to be brain dead after undergoing surgery for a cardiac event. The reporter has since deleted the tweet to wait upon further confirmation. https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1252419884023087106 https://twitter.com/KatyTurNBC/status/1252419884023087106 According to a reporter for Bloomberg citing White House officials, US officials believe Kim is in poor condition if alive, or dead. The White House is looking into who would succeed Kim if he dies. https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/1252426458863026177 https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/12524264588630261...
- cmurf 6y agoCOVID19?
- ydnaclementine 6y agoHere's hope for unification
- hiccuphippo 6y agoThere must be other people in the line of succession willing to continue the status quo.