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Already 0.1% of NYC's population has died from COVID-19 - 10k deaths of 8.54 million people. That's... quite a bit higher than LA's current 576 of 10 million.

Already 0.1% of NYC's population has died from COVID-19 - 10k deaths of 8.54 million people. That's... quite a bit higher than LA's current 576 of 10 million. So either everyone in New York City was infected, or most probably 200-400k infected in LA is an order of magnitude of wishful thinking (e.g. ~2% false positive test rate.)

eanzenberg 6y ago
Not from, with. Also, gov’t pays a hospital out $70k for every covid death.
- DanBC 6y ago
  This "with, not from" stuff collapses when you look at 5 year averages. EG this from UK https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1252518098047041536 https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1252518098047041536
woofie11 6y ago
Another option: A bunch of people will die in a few weeks.
nradov 6y ago
Could some of the discrepancy in regional death rates be explained by a mutation in the virus?
- mgleason_3 6y ago
  Honestly, it seems more likely that California's much maligned car culture has served us well in this case - ensuring many of us maintain social distance which is impossible on NYC's subway and bus system. All the positive press about governor Cuomo's leadership and handling of the crisis seems a little weird given his failure to shut-down the subways (or at least curtail a but the absolutely most urgent ridership).
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Honestly, it seems more likely that California's much maligned car culture has served us well in this case - ensuring many of us maintain social distance which is impossible on NYC's subway and bus system. California local and state government being ahead of NY in issuing shelter-in-place orders even though NY was being harder hit even before the divergent response also makes a difference. But, yeah, the hyperdensity of the NYC metro area is a big factor.
- vanniv 6y ago
  It could. Previous studies suggested that the strain circulating in NYC is of European origin, whereas the California strain, arriving earlier, was of Asian origin. It's always possible that the NYC one is more fatal. We don't have data, but it is possible. Thing is, though, at the peak, NYC was seeing a 60% positive rate on tests and is still seeing something near 30%. That pretty much guaranteed that the vast, vast majority of NY cases were not detected, and still probably are not. (Italy is back around 5-6% again, for example) It must be the case that a dramatic percentage of NYC is infected. Certainly not more than 100% as some oversimplified maths suggest, and likely not 80%+ that would be very comforting -- but quite likely between 30% and 45%, given the Stanford and LA studies, and the NYC testing data.
DeonPenny 6y ago
So like the fact that most of NYC, like most of Italy, and Spain is infected because they are a more dense city than LA is lying about the data because this is backed up by data in other countries like Korea, Germany and everywhere else with similar data.
illvm 6y ago
There's the theory of Vitamin-D deficiency. It would make some sense given NYC's climate and time of year. In LA, people likely are exposed to the sun year round. It would be interesting to see if other respiratory illnesses exhibit a similar pattern between these two cities, as I understand Vitamin-D levels have an affect those as well. But also, NYC is considerably more dense, so diseases spread far more rapidly. Especially so considering heavy public transit use versus, what I would say is, extreme overuse of personal vehicles.

eanzenberg 6y ago

Not from, with. Also, gov’t pays a hospital out $70k for every covid death.

DanBC 6y ago
This "with, not from" stuff collapses when you look at 5 year averages. EG this from UK https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1252518098047041536 https://twitter.com/ONS/status/1252518098047041536

woofie11 6y ago

Another option: A bunch of people will die in a few weeks.

nradov 6y ago

Could some of the discrepancy in regional death rates be explained by a mutation in the virus?

mgleason_3 6y ago
Honestly, it seems more likely that California's much maligned car culture has served us well in this case - ensuring many of us maintain social distance which is impossible on NYC's subway and bus system. All the positive press about governor Cuomo's leadership and handling of the crisis seems a little weird given his failure to shut-down the subways (or at least curtail a but the absolutely most urgent ridership).
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Honestly, it seems more likely that California's much maligned car culture has served us well in this case - ensuring many of us maintain social distance which is impossible on NYC's subway and bus system. California local and state government being ahead of NY in issuing shelter-in-place orders even though NY was being harder hit even before the divergent response also makes a difference. But, yeah, the hyperdensity of the NYC metro area is a big factor.
vanniv 6y ago
It could. Previous studies suggested that the strain circulating in NYC is of European origin, whereas the California strain, arriving earlier, was of Asian origin. It's always possible that the NYC one is more fatal. We don't have data, but it is possible. Thing is, though, at the peak, NYC was seeing a 60% positive rate on tests and is still seeing something near 30%. That pretty much guaranteed that the vast, vast majority of NY cases were not detected, and still probably are not. (Italy is back around 5-6% again, for example) It must be the case that a dramatic percentage of NYC is infected. Certainly not more than 100% as some oversimplified maths suggest, and likely not 80%+ that would be very comforting -- but quite likely between 30% and 45%, given the Stanford and LA studies, and the NYC testing data.

DeonPenny 6y ago

So like the fact that most of NYC, like most of Italy, and Spain is infected because they are a more dense city than LA is lying about the data because this is backed up by data in other countries like Korea, Germany and everywhere else with similar data.

illvm 6y ago

There's the theory of Vitamin-D deficiency. It would make some sense given NYC's climate and time of year. In LA, people likely are exposed to the sun year round. It would be interesting to see if other respiratory illnesses exhibit a similar pattern between these two cities, as I understand Vitamin-D levels have an affect those as well. But also, NYC is considerably more dense, so diseases spread far more rapidly. Especially so considering heavy public transit use versus, what I would say is, extreme overuse of personal vehicles.