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My brother bought a rural place that doesn’t have any internet whatsoever, and it’s not that far out in the sticks. If internet access is needed to interact wit

My brother bought a rural place that doesn’t have any internet whatsoever, and it’s not that far out in the sticks. If internet access is needed to interact with the government/banks/etc, we have to do better to provide it to rural folks.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago
You can get a phone line basically anywhere for the same reason you can get mail there, and if you can get a phone line then you can get dial-up, which doesn't get you YouTube but it does get you email and online banking and all of those sorts of things.
- kitotik 6y ago
  So, “let them eat cake”.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    How is that not a completely viable solution? Have you actually used dial up? It's terrible slow compared to broadband but a whole lot faster than mailing a letter.
- RedShift1 6y ago
  Yes, dial up is technically still internet... But do you really get internet that way? Websites these days are made for broadband, some of them coming in at a few MB just to get to the login screen. Plus you gotta turn off all non-essential internet communication in Windows (telemetry, updates, ...) or that 4 kB/s you get are lost to that. If you're paying by the minute it's going to get expensive real fast.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    Its purpose isn't to be real internet, its purpose is just to do what the postal service does. It doesn't matter if cnn.com has 500MB of javascript because you're not going there, you're just doing email and banking. And nobody pays by the minute anymore.
    - RedShift1 6y ago
      But even those banking and webmail sites are in the order of megabytes.
    - orwin 6y ago
      You assume that all these people have AC current. I know for a fact that at least half a dozen american in West Virginia (lincoln county) get there only electricity with solar panels. Yes, they can access their emails thanks to the public library, but how much longer this public service will stay open?
- kitotik 6y ago
  What are they using to connect to these services? An up to date windows 10 laptop? A MacBook? You are making a lot of assumptions about a lot of people. Even on a completely updated, modern machine try throttling your bandwidth to 56k and paying your bills via your banks website.
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    "Up to date"? The latest version of Windows 10 can technically run on hardware older than anybody would have any interest in using. Like late 1990s or so. Anybody can get a much newer PC than that, like an early Core i5, for around $50-$100, which someone might actually want to use. Dial up is slow. But if that's the problem you want to solve then how do you do it by subsidizing the postal service?
  - sio8ohPi 6y ago
    I just paid my credit card bill at 50k down/20k up. It's fine. Took about half an hour, but I'm browsing HN (also throttled) in this tab so it's not too inconvenient. You could also read a book or cook or something.
jdxcode 6y ago
Would it be possible to take half the 70B that we’re paying USPS and quickly build out fixed wireless service to at least the lower 48? I don’t know myself, but it seems within reason to me.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago

You can get a phone line basically anywhere for the same reason you can get mail there, and if you can get a phone line then you can get dial-up, which doesn't get you YouTube but it does get you email and online banking and all of those sorts of things.

kitotik 6y ago
So, “let them eat cake”.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  How is that not a completely viable solution? Have you actually used dial up? It's terrible slow compared to broadband but a whole lot faster than mailing a letter.
RedShift1 6y ago
Yes, dial up is technically still internet... But do you really get internet that way? Websites these days are made for broadband, some of them coming in at a few MB just to get to the login screen. Plus you gotta turn off all non-essential internet communication in Windows (telemetry, updates, ...) or that 4 kB/s you get are lost to that. If you're paying by the minute it's going to get expensive real fast.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  Its purpose isn't to be real internet, its purpose is just to do what the postal service does. It doesn't matter if cnn.com has 500MB of javascript because you're not going there, you're just doing email and banking. And nobody pays by the minute anymore.
  - RedShift1 6y ago
    But even those banking and webmail sites are in the order of megabytes.
  - orwin 6y ago
    You assume that all these people have AC current. I know for a fact that at least half a dozen american in West Virginia (lincoln county) get there only electricity with solar panels. Yes, they can access their emails thanks to the public library, but how much longer this public service will stay open?
kitotik 6y ago
What are they using to connect to these services? An up to date windows 10 laptop? A MacBook? You are making a lot of assumptions about a lot of people. Even on a completely updated, modern machine try throttling your bandwidth to 56k and paying your bills via your banks website.
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  "Up to date"? The latest version of Windows 10 can technically run on hardware older than anybody would have any interest in using. Like late 1990s or so. Anybody can get a much newer PC than that, like an early Core i5, for around $50-$100, which someone might actually want to use. Dial up is slow. But if that's the problem you want to solve then how do you do it by subsidizing the postal service?
- sio8ohPi 6y ago
  I just paid my credit card bill at 50k down/20k up. It's fine. Took about half an hour, but I'm browsing HN (also throttled) in this tab so it's not too inconvenient. You could also read a book or cook or something.

jdxcode 6y ago

Would it be possible to take half the 70B that we’re paying USPS and quickly build out fixed wireless service to at least the lower 48? I don’t know myself, but it seems within reason to me.