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But people are still working and their economy is still running. This is a HUGE improvement over what we have currently in the USA.

throw_away 6y ago
& just looking at the raw data, they seem to have a waaay better solution than we do: https://imgur.com/a/2T0GVoe https://imgur.com/a/2T0GVoe from http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ if anyone wants to compare other stats.
- maxerickson 6y ago
  A significant part of the lower peak is the earlier intervention. There's similar patterns if you compare between US states.
- usaar333 6y ago
  They had really good contact tracing. I'm not even sure how much we're attempting this in the US. "Lockdowns" without contact tracing is taking the path of "herd immunity for essential workers"
killIdeas 6y ago
The current narrative is that anyone who thinks this quarentine is poorly managed is a Trump supporter. This couldn't be further from the truth. They have made it political.
- andybak 6y ago
  Who's "they"? From an outside perspective (UK) everyone seems to be making it political - Trump especially so.
  - 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 6y ago
    The coordinated mainstream media. Again, the narrative is if you think the US media is partisan you’re a Trump supporter. The entire US media ecosystem is owned by only 6 companies. It used to be hip to distrust the media but now it makes you a Trump supporter or conspiracy theorist??
    - CathedralBorrow 6y ago
      It's never been easier to spread your message to the world, so I would think that the "true", honest, good, non-evil, non-coordinated mainstream media would also exist in some form. Where are they?
      - nobodyandproud 6y ago
        Well, when even some FOX journalists realized that Corona was something to take seriously; and Rupert Murdoch suddenly cancelled his birthday celebration (no non-family guests). The truth is discovered by following both sides of the argument.
      - 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 6y ago
        Independent journalism has never been better. Personally I don’t get my news from “retired” intelligence agents and CIA directors, but I guess I’m a conspiracy theorist in that way.
    - nobodyandproud 6y ago
      Because the indisputable facts are ignored by Trump and his supporters. The US had a small, dedicated team to track animal-based infectious diseases (Predict). The Trump administration cut funding for it and it was dismantled last year. This dismantling was purely for ideological reasons. South Korea—an extremely market driven and democratic nation—also has nationalized health care. This means nobody has to wonder if they can afford testing because the leaders understood what was at stake. When Pence was asked this question, it was regarded as a political potshot by the journalist and dismissed out of hand. I remember this clearly, as I watched this in real-time when I was getting a haircut. South Korea took MERsS and SARS to heart and kept its experts in place; allowing SK to assess the danger rapidly. They too had their conservative party fight tooth and nail to make their administration (liberal) look incompetent. Meanwhile Trump supporters have insisted for months and still do. that this was mostly a liberal follow-up to a failed impeachment. The difference between how SK coordinated and how the US did not cannot be ignored, and a key difference is that the administration in power didn’t view their experts with suspicion as deep-state or as a money-sink for third-world-only issues. At every step Trump has shown that he does not nominate or keep anyone due to their competence in their field. There’s no dispute about these facts. Yet anyone who views current events with suspicion only has innuendo to back their position. Therefore, calling out anti-journalists for what they are is well-deserved.
Jeema101 6y ago
That's because they intervened early with large scale testing, contact tracing, and social distancing. The problem is contact tracing only works when the number of new infections is manageable, though. That's why it's so critical to react early and aggressively. Once it becomes unmanageable, the only solution is mass quarantines until the numbers are manageable again. The best analogy is a fire. If it's just embers, one person can stomp it out. If you wait for it to become a forest fire, then it requires drastic measures.
- joe_the_user 6y ago
  Clearly we (in the US) need quarantine now when things are out of control (and we need adequate PPE equipment for those working and financial support for those not working, two things that seem to be failing, likely to our extreme detriment). But once the "fire" has burned far enough, we will testing and contact tracing. And so we need to be getting these up and running NOW so they will be ready when the "fire" has subsided sufficiently (and hey, we are failing on this too).
  - rhino369 6y ago
    There doesn't seem to be much of a plan in place to test and contact trace in the USA. As you said we need to be getting these up in place now. And they should already be in place in areas without a lockdown. But I don't see much evidence we are really trying to do that. I also wonder if its possible to test and trace if its every minor city in the country in low numbers. We will have a million patient zeros.
    - greedo 6y ago
      We don't have the political will to do track and trace, nor the trained manpower. We would need roughly 300K people employed doing just this.

throw_away 6y ago

& just looking at the raw data, they seem to have a waaay better solution than we do: https://imgur.com/a/2T0GVoe https://imgur.com/a/2T0GVoe from http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/ if anyone wants to compare other stats.

maxerickson 6y ago
A significant part of the lower peak is the earlier intervention. There's similar patterns if you compare between US states.
usaar333 6y ago
They had really good contact tracing. I'm not even sure how much we're attempting this in the US. "Lockdowns" without contact tracing is taking the path of "herd immunity for essential workers"

killIdeas 6y ago

The current narrative is that anyone who thinks this quarentine is poorly managed is a Trump supporter. This couldn't be further from the truth. They have made it political.

andybak 6y ago
Who's "they"? From an outside perspective (UK) everyone seems to be making it political - Trump especially so.
- 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 6y ago
  The coordinated mainstream media. Again, the narrative is if you think the US media is partisan you’re a Trump supporter. The entire US media ecosystem is owned by only 6 companies. It used to be hip to distrust the media but now it makes you a Trump supporter or conspiracy theorist??
  - CathedralBorrow 6y ago
    It's never been easier to spread your message to the world, so I would think that the "true", honest, good, non-evil, non-coordinated mainstream media would also exist in some form. Where are they?
    - nobodyandproud 6y ago
      Well, when even some FOX journalists realized that Corona was something to take seriously; and Rupert Murdoch suddenly cancelled his birthday celebration (no non-family guests). The truth is discovered by following both sides of the argument.
    - 3fe9a03ccd14ca5 6y ago
      Independent journalism has never been better. Personally I don’t get my news from “retired” intelligence agents and CIA directors, but I guess I’m a conspiracy theorist in that way.
  - nobodyandproud 6y ago
    Because the indisputable facts are ignored by Trump and his supporters. The US had a small, dedicated team to track animal-based infectious diseases (Predict). The Trump administration cut funding for it and it was dismantled last year. This dismantling was purely for ideological reasons. South Korea—an extremely market driven and democratic nation—also has nationalized health care. This means nobody has to wonder if they can afford testing because the leaders understood what was at stake. When Pence was asked this question, it was regarded as a political potshot by the journalist and dismissed out of hand. I remember this clearly, as I watched this in real-time when I was getting a haircut. South Korea took MERsS and SARS to heart and kept its experts in place; allowing SK to assess the danger rapidly. They too had their conservative party fight tooth and nail to make their administration (liberal) look incompetent. Meanwhile Trump supporters have insisted for months and still do. that this was mostly a liberal follow-up to a failed impeachment. The difference between how SK coordinated and how the US did not cannot be ignored, and a key difference is that the administration in power didn’t view their experts with suspicion as deep-state or as a money-sink for third-world-only issues. At every step Trump has shown that he does not nominate or keep anyone due to their competence in their field. There’s no dispute about these facts. Yet anyone who views current events with suspicion only has innuendo to back their position. Therefore, calling out anti-journalists for what they are is well-deserved.

Jeema101 6y ago

That's because they intervened early with large scale testing, contact tracing, and social distancing. The problem is contact tracing only works when the number of new infections is manageable, though. That's why it's so critical to react early and aggressively. Once it becomes unmanageable, the only solution is mass quarantines until the numbers are manageable again. The best analogy is a fire. If it's just embers, one person can stomp it out. If you wait for it to become a forest fire, then it requires drastic measures.

joe_the_user 6y ago
Clearly we (in the US) need quarantine now when things are out of control (and we need adequate PPE equipment for those working and financial support for those not working, two things that seem to be failing, likely to our extreme detriment). But once the "fire" has burned far enough, we will testing and contact tracing. And so we need to be getting these up and running NOW so they will be ready when the "fire" has subsided sufficiently (and hey, we are failing on this too).
- rhino369 6y ago
  There doesn't seem to be much of a plan in place to test and contact trace in the USA. As you said we need to be getting these up in place now. And they should already be in place in areas without a lockdown. But I don't see much evidence we are really trying to do that. I also wonder if its possible to test and trace if its every minor city in the country in low numbers. We will have a million patient zeros.
  - greedo 6y ago
    We don't have the political will to do track and trace, nor the trained manpower. We would need roughly 300K people employed doing just this.