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Replace the words with whatever country is 'scary' to you, and you've got probable cause! "His lawyers say Wing, who was born in the United States, was targete

by furyg3 16y ago

Replace the words with whatever country is 'scary' to you, and you've got probable cause! "His lawyers say Wing, who was born in the United States, was targeted because of his extensive ties to asia — he travels there frequently, helps support two brothers who live in China, and his father was a well-known Asian-American community leader who died last year in China." Ridiculous... racism is not probable cause.

electromagnetic 16y ago
> Ridiculous... racism is not probable cause. It is when ignorance is your knowledge base.
pbhjpbhj 16y ago
>"well-known Islamic-American community leader" This sort of comment I always assume is double-talk (government-ese maybe) for someone who they know has close ties to terrorists. I'm guessing one of the family has been undertaking some "terrorist" activities and that makes it look bad for Afifi as he's sending money home. Of course this is speculation and Afifi himself wouldn't likely know if it were true or not so I have no way of knowing either.
- chalst 16y ago
  You've been reading too much Daniel Pipes.
  - pbhjpbhj 16y ago
    I'd never heard of him.
- Confusion 16y ago
  Martin Luther King was a "well-known Christian-American community leader". That's how you should read it. That you think otherwise means they already managed to indoctrinate you that far, to accept the seeds of doubt and mistrust they try to plant. That way, however it turns out, they are always right.
  - ahoyhere 16y ago
    This is an incredibly important point. Perhaps more importantly, African American (or Black, at that time) community leader. To the semi-OP: Don't look at what the government fails to explain and do their work for them. Don't take what they say and then look for the hidden context -- in their favor. It's THEIR job to justify the suspicious-looking things they do, NOT ours. They answer to us. If they only say he's a community leader, then ask yourself: "Why the hell are you monitoring community leaders? You gotta do better than that." Because either A) There is a genuine reason and they're now foolishly refusing to say it, which is ludicrous at this point now that it's out in the open. Or the more likely B) It's a load of crap and they don't know what they're doing, they're wasting time, money and civil rights monitoring people who have done absolutely nothing wrong.
  - GHFigs 16y ago
    That's how you should read it. That you think otherwise means they already managed to indoctrinate you that far... What doctrine are you beholden to that gives you the right to declare someone "indoctrinated" if they don't interpret things exactly as you do? Is no man free to think for himself?
  - pbhjpbhj 16y ago
    I think I've mistook the source of the comment I assumed that the label of "Muslim-American activist" was placed by the FBI when speaking to the reporters (it may have been but that's not how it's reported). I apologise for that error. That said. WRT equivalence of mentioning an "Christian-American activist" and "Muslim-American activist" I can't see how we can establish this nor even come close there are too many variables to adjust for. The sunnah gives a mandate for terror activities against those who don't accept Islam - Mohammed was a war lord who used deadly force to further his aims. Whilst the life of Jesus gives no such model (quite the opposite as I see it). Moreover you'd have to base the analogy around a foreign country into which Christians (acting in that capacity) had moved to enact terror activities. -- Aside. Aladdin Afifi, for that appears to be him, was first (2010-08-10) mentioned in international press by MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39583860/ns/technology_and_science-security/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39583860/ns/technology_and_scien...). Here he is referred to as: "Afifi's father, an Islamic-American activist, died a year ago in Egypt. It is not clear what the circumstances of his death were, or if this was the reason for the FBI's investigation of Afifi." Subsequent reports (the ones I found) appear in Wired and CBS News and transmute this to being "community leader" instead of activist [no biggie, just saying] and fail to mention any lack of clarity about his death. They do (eg Wired, http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/2/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device...) flesh out other details. I couldn't really find much about the father and less about the brothers (not even in Egyptian news sources like Al-Masry Al-Youm who don't appear to have run the story at all). SF Bay MCA mention him as Ala Afifi in respect of a donation to his "trust fund" (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:u2eBtfghTeAJ:www.mcabayarea.org/download-newsletters/doc_download/45-aug-21-2009+site:mcabayarea.org+afifi&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESix_Jsi1f8xyt9Oyjg-K1vNKw6_YRZ6cGzYORyoQFCPGyWYmAa6tyBn8gXZVi9DmmJP1p-UyxSTR-kTRBu1dfG93LQEIm9QWoN7aCSKu218UIfPf7gYhRa8LqhD4hmh9Q7OZyed&sig=AHIEtbTRg5tvnFAGXIHx8ynKB41uCxjMfQ http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:u2eBtfghTeAJ:w...) but nothing else I could really see.

by furyg3 16y ago

electromagnetic 16y ago

> Ridiculous... racism is not probable cause. It is when ignorance is your knowledge base.

pbhjpbhj 16y ago

>"well-known Islamic-American community leader" This sort of comment I always assume is double-talk (government-ese maybe) for someone who they know has close ties to terrorists. I'm guessing one of the family has been undertaking some "terrorist" activities and that makes it look bad for Afifi as he's sending money home. Of course this is speculation and Afifi himself wouldn't likely know if it were true or not so I have no way of knowing either.

chalst 16y ago
You've been reading too much Daniel Pipes.
- pbhjpbhj 16y ago
  I'd never heard of him.
Confusion 16y ago
Martin Luther King was a "well-known Christian-American community leader". That's how you should read it. That you think otherwise means they already managed to indoctrinate you that far, to accept the seeds of doubt and mistrust they try to plant. That way, however it turns out, they are always right.
- ahoyhere 16y ago
  This is an incredibly important point. Perhaps more importantly, African American (or Black, at that time) community leader. To the semi-OP: Don't look at what the government fails to explain and do their work for them. Don't take what they say and then look for the hidden context -- in their favor. It's THEIR job to justify the suspicious-looking things they do, NOT ours. They answer to us. If they only say he's a community leader, then ask yourself: "Why the hell are you monitoring community leaders? You gotta do better than that." Because either A) There is a genuine reason and they're now foolishly refusing to say it, which is ludicrous at this point now that it's out in the open. Or the more likely B) It's a load of crap and they don't know what they're doing, they're wasting time, money and civil rights monitoring people who have done absolutely nothing wrong.
- GHFigs 16y ago
  That's how you should read it. That you think otherwise means they already managed to indoctrinate you that far... What doctrine are you beholden to that gives you the right to declare someone "indoctrinated" if they don't interpret things exactly as you do? Is no man free to think for himself?
- pbhjpbhj 16y ago
  I think I've mistook the source of the comment I assumed that the label of "Muslim-American activist" was placed by the FBI when speaking to the reporters (it may have been but that's not how it's reported). I apologise for that error. That said. WRT equivalence of mentioning an "Christian-American activist" and "Muslim-American activist" I can't see how we can establish this nor even come close there are too many variables to adjust for. The sunnah gives a mandate for terror activities against those who don't accept Islam - Mohammed was a war lord who used deadly force to further his aims. Whilst the life of Jesus gives no such model (quite the opposite as I see it). Moreover you'd have to base the analogy around a foreign country into which Christians (acting in that capacity) had moved to enact terror activities. -- Aside. Aladdin Afifi, for that appears to be him, was first (2010-08-10) mentioned in international press by MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39583860/ns/technology_and_science-security/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39583860/ns/technology_and_scien...). Here he is referred to as: "Afifi's father, an Islamic-American activist, died a year ago in Egypt. It is not clear what the circumstances of his death were, or if this was the reason for the FBI's investigation of Afifi." Subsequent reports (the ones I found) appear in Wired and CBS News and transmute this to being "community leader" instead of activist [no biggie, just saying] and fail to mention any lack of clarity about his death. They do (eg Wired, http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/2/ http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device...) flesh out other details. I couldn't really find much about the father and less about the brothers (not even in Egyptian news sources like Al-Masry Al-Youm who don't appear to have run the story at all). SF Bay MCA mention him as Ala Afifi in respect of a donation to his "trust fund" (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:u2eBtfghTeAJ:www.mcabayarea.org/download-newsletters/doc_download/45-aug-21-2009+site:mcabayarea.org+afifi&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESix_Jsi1f8xyt9Oyjg-K1vNKw6_YRZ6cGzYORyoQFCPGyWYmAa6tyBn8gXZVi9DmmJP1p-UyxSTR-kTRBu1dfG93LQEIm9QWoN7aCSKu218UIfPf7gYhRa8LqhD4hmh9Q7OZyed&sig=AHIEtbTRg5tvnFAGXIHx8ynKB41uCxjMfQ http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:u2eBtfghTeAJ:w...) but nothing else I could really see.