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Yeah, that is interesting. I donate to the ACLU monthly and I haven't gotten anything related to the pandemic, just regular board of directors voting. ...are t

Yeah, that is interesting. I donate to the ACLU monthly and I haven't gotten anything related to the pandemic, just regular board of directors voting. ...are they working on the EARN IT act by any chance?

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
Their current efforts are focused on getting lots of people released from jails and prisons, since they might catch COVID-19 if they're in jail.
- mc32 7y ago
  See I don’t get it. If one of these people who get early release so much as go fishing somewhere they can end up back in jail. That seems perverse to me.
  - zozbot234 7y ago
    That helps with social distancing. It's not a bad thing given the circumstances.
- yingw787 7y ago
  Cool. I'll keep my donations flowing.
- duckMuppet 7y ago
  Well it's far more important to have the ACLU working on advocacy and rights for LGBTQ+ where there are demonstrable acts of violence and systemic oppression rather than waste time hand holding individuals who think they should be able purchase an Arsenal of firearms and spread Covid by not obeying and respecting their fellow citizens through their non compliance. I'd say they are definitely where they need to be.. It's prudent and wise they not be involved with rabble rousers who through their non compliance, indifference, and questioning of authority silently slaughter members of minority communities that this disease adversely affects more than wealthy elites who miss their bed bath and beyond or their tee time.
  - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
    Right, this is the kind of position I was referring to. The modern ACLU tends to direct their attention towards specific identity groups they feel are most deserving. I don't think they're quite as far along that path as you are - I can't imagine an ACLU representative implying you have a civic duty to unquestioningly accept the government's pandemic control measures - but maybe I'm wrong.
    - Talanes 7y ago
      I wonder if they're just avoiding it as a tactical thing. Lawsuits aren't the quickest form of change, they might just not see any path to actually moving on those questions before they become moot. If they're planning for the long term, it might make more sense to see which forms of government overreach stick around too long.
      - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
        I think that's the most likely scenario, but I'm not sure the implied tactics are actually accurate - many religious groups have been able to get swift injunctions.
  - roenxi 7y ago
    So just quickly glancing at Wikipedia [0] it looks like most of the major line items for the LGBTQ+ agenda have been part of US Federal law for about 5+ years. The LGBTQ+ community are basically ordinary people from all walks of life, including prominent names like Tim Cook and Pete Buttigieg. The community has I believe explicit public support from culture generating machines like Hollywood and political entities like the Democrat party. These aren't exactly wilting lilies in terms of power and influence. It isn't obvious that supporting their liberties should take precedence over supporting anyone else's. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_States#Federally_granted_rights_and_protections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Stat...
    - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
soulofmischief 7y ago
In Robert D. Putnam's Bowling Alone, he talks about how several independent studies have elucidated that in modern times, civil engagement is at an all-time high when one considers the average number of civil group memberships per American (It's greater than one!), however the average number of Americans holding leadership positions within a civil group has plummeted. We also attend far fewer in-person events. The reality is clear. Civil leadership has been consolidated into the ranks of middle management and ad executives. Modern civil activism is pay-by-mail, one-newsletter-at-a-time, simply install and forget. If you find yourself frustrated with the leadership of the civil groups you maintain, consider splintering you and those in your groups who trust you into a new civil group which focuses on a local level: Local canvasing could be far more effective than distributing online propaganda.
- andrepd 7y ago
  >Local canvasing could be far more effective than distributing online propaganda. I tend to believe that, but are you aware of any studies that try to show that?
  - soulofmischief 6y ago
    Nothing comes to mind, but I'll ping you if I come across any.

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago

Their current efforts are focused on getting lots of people released from jails and prisons, since they might catch COVID-19 if they're in jail.

mc32 7y ago
See I don’t get it. If one of these people who get early release so much as go fishing somewhere they can end up back in jail. That seems perverse to me.
- zozbot234 7y ago
  That helps with social distancing. It's not a bad thing given the circumstances.
yingw787 7y ago
Cool. I'll keep my donations flowing.
duckMuppet 7y ago
Well it's far more important to have the ACLU working on advocacy and rights for LGBTQ+ where there are demonstrable acts of violence and systemic oppression rather than waste time hand holding individuals who think they should be able purchase an Arsenal of firearms and spread Covid by not obeying and respecting their fellow citizens through their non compliance. I'd say they are definitely where they need to be.. It's prudent and wise they not be involved with rabble rousers who through their non compliance, indifference, and questioning of authority silently slaughter members of minority communities that this disease adversely affects more than wealthy elites who miss their bed bath and beyond or their tee time.
- SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
  Right, this is the kind of position I was referring to. The modern ACLU tends to direct their attention towards specific identity groups they feel are most deserving. I don't think they're quite as far along that path as you are - I can't imagine an ACLU representative implying you have a civic duty to unquestioningly accept the government's pandemic control measures - but maybe I'm wrong.
  - Talanes 7y ago
    I wonder if they're just avoiding it as a tactical thing. Lawsuits aren't the quickest form of change, they might just not see any path to actually moving on those questions before they become moot. If they're planning for the long term, it might make more sense to see which forms of government overreach stick around too long.
    - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
      I think that's the most likely scenario, but I'm not sure the implied tactics are actually accurate - many religious groups have been able to get swift injunctions.
- roenxi 7y ago
  So just quickly glancing at Wikipedia [0] it looks like most of the major line items for the LGBTQ+ agenda have been part of US Federal law for about 5+ years. The LGBTQ+ community are basically ordinary people from all walks of life, including prominent names like Tim Cook and Pete Buttigieg. The community has I believe explicit public support from culture generating machines like Hollywood and political entities like the Democrat party. These aren't exactly wilting lilies in terms of power and influence. It isn't obvious that supporting their liberties should take precedence over supporting anyone else's. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_States#Federally_granted_rights_and_protections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_United_Stat...
  - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago

soulofmischief 7y ago

In Robert D. Putnam's Bowling Alone, he talks about how several independent studies have elucidated that in modern times, civil engagement is at an all-time high when one considers the average number of civil group memberships per American (It's greater than one!), however the average number of Americans holding leadership positions within a civil group has plummeted. We also attend far fewer in-person events. The reality is clear. Civil leadership has been consolidated into the ranks of middle management and ad executives. Modern civil activism is pay-by-mail, one-newsletter-at-a-time, simply install and forget. If you find yourself frustrated with the leadership of the civil groups you maintain, consider splintering you and those in your groups who trust you into a new civil group which focuses on a local level: Local canvasing could be far more effective than distributing online propaganda.

andrepd 7y ago
>Local canvasing could be far more effective than distributing online propaganda. I tend to believe that, but are you aware of any studies that try to show that?
- soulofmischief 6y ago
  Nothing comes to mind, but I'll ping you if I come across any.