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I feel like all the replies comparing legal system differences between the US and the EU miss a crucial element - the difference in the characters of the people
by deanCommie 7y ago
I feel like all the replies comparing legal system differences between the US and the EU miss a crucial element - the difference in the characters of the people participating in each society.
I'm now going to make a couple of broad generalizations. Note, that I'm aware they do not apply to every person, or even state in the US, or member nation of the EU.
However having lived in both for a number of years, I do have some personal insight.
Europe and Europeans are a cohesive society where the ideal is a flat society without too many outliers. Standing out from the field is not promoted. And career aspirations are about attaining a work life balance and produce meaningful work. The overall societal system works, offers many opportunities for education and entrepreneurship, but within a well lit path. Europe is a fast moving train.
As a result, people look for ways to succeed within the system.
The US is a "land of opportunity" in all the best, and all the insidious ways that this implies. People are looking to separate themselves from the pack, to be "insanely great" in some way or another, and see society and laws as just impediments to that goal. The US is a rocket powered supercar.
As a result, people look for ways to succeed in spite of the system.
This is why both the US needs a common law system (because the population would never tolerate a restrictive "write everything down" statutory system because would consider it overly restrictive to their liberty), and also why it fails. Because people and corporations abuse the common law system to violate the spirit of the law as much as possible to succeed and thrive in the short term. So half the country is constantly tries to create more regulations and the other half is trying to tear down existing ones.
This is why in the US the most innovative companies and people can succeed on a 5-10 year timeline, and so the biggest public companies in the world are there, but why Europe is much better at building 20-50 year projects and so have better infrastructure. (I'm ignoring China completely here because China is better than both at everything now, but is also an authoritarian dictatorship, so it's even harder to compare that apple to the other oranges).
Ultimately my point is that the EU raises a certain type of person and attracts a certain type of immigrant, and the US another.
I'm Canadian, so I frankly think both extremes are distasteful. I find the US a post-apocalyptic every-man-for-himself dystopia. And I find the EU a restrictive stifling nanny-state. Canada is just right for me.
But I appreciate that the world has both extremes.
- Jommi 7y agoI think trying to put all of Europe into one EU in your argument is already where it breaks down. Europeans don't live in a cohesive society. Italians, Germans, Swedes live in a cohesive society in their small california-sized countries.
- Aeolun 7y agoI’d say Italians, Germans and Swedes have much more in common with each other than with the US. The way of life is slightly different, but the philosophy is the same.
- deanCommie 7y agoNeither do Californians, Alaskans, Alabamans, Montanans, or West Virginians. But they all have more in common with each other than Europeans, and vice versa.
- Talanes 7y agoAs a Californian, I resent the accusation that we have anything in common with other Californians.
- PeterisP 7y agoWell then, California is california-sized as well, so if that approach does not work for USA in its entirety then perhaps it can fix the healthcare system in California?
- Jommi 7y agoYes, perhaps. That's what California is attempting. Unfortunately social security in US is national, so you can't operate a closed system. E.g. only Danish people can get Danish social security