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The data out there indicate a 50% ICU death rate in general. Ventilators seem to exacerbate the condition for covid patients. Sweden seem to have better succe

The data out there indicate a 50% ICU death rate in general. Ventilators seem to exacerbate the condition for covid patients. Sweden seem to have better success with intensive care than average. Are we perhaps intubating less. Train of thought ^.

pbhjpbhj 7y ago
FWIW not all ventilation is intubation, you can have non-invasive ventilation. Just in case you weren't aware, this makes stats hard to ascertain as some sources seemingly are interpreting orginal sources as if they were synonymous.
- jordanbeiber 7y ago
  Thanks. I was assuming the 80% death rate was intubated ventilation.
ethbro 7y ago
Confounding factor: obesity rates and comorbidities From a glance, the US averages 3x the incidence rate of obesity as Sweden. Obese patients with existing health problems will result in substantially worse outcomes from Covid-19.
- learc83 7y ago
  Where are you getting those numbers. From this study it looks like 20% of Swedish adults are obese. That's compared to 36.5% of US adults. Also the swedish study is from 2012, so it's probably slightly higher now. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160604050632.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160604050632.h...
  - ethbro 7y ago
    https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Obesity_country_comparison_-_path.svg https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Obesity_country_co...
    - learc83 7y ago
      That chart is from data collected between 1996 and 2003. It is very outdated.
watwut 7y ago
ICU death rate heavily depends on whether the hospitals are overflown or not. The Italia or Spain ICU is not giving the same care now as it used to. The trajectory of cases and deaths in Sweden does not seem special to me, generally they seem to follow similar curve as other countries so far.
- ghaff 7y ago
  >The trajectory of cases and deaths in Sweden does not seem special to me Certainly doesn't seem to be well outside of the range of outcomes in other countries at any rate. From what I've read--no first hand knowledge--it's also a bit hard to interpret the effect of Sweden not locking down. Apparently, at least around Stockholm, many people were staying home and not traveling. On the other hand, in at least some places, people were still going to bars and the like so it's a bit of a mixed bag. Almost certainly not business as usual but also likely a fair bit looser than a lot of places with more formal lockdowns. (And there's even quite a bit of variance there.)

pbhjpbhj 7y ago

FWIW not all ventilation is intubation, you can have non-invasive ventilation. Just in case you weren't aware, this makes stats hard to ascertain as some sources seemingly are interpreting orginal sources as if they were synonymous.

jordanbeiber 7y ago
Thanks. I was assuming the 80% death rate was intubated ventilation.

ethbro 7y ago

Confounding factor: obesity rates and comorbidities From a glance, the US averages 3x the incidence rate of obesity as Sweden. Obese patients with existing health problems will result in substantially worse outcomes from Covid-19.

learc83 7y ago
Where are you getting those numbers. From this study it looks like 20% of Swedish adults are obese. That's compared to 36.5% of US adults. Also the swedish study is from 2012, so it's probably slightly higher now. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160604050632.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/06/160604050632.h...
- ethbro 7y ago
  https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Obesity_country_comparison_-_path.svg https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Obesity_country_co...
  - learc83 7y ago
    That chart is from data collected between 1996 and 2003. It is very outdated.

watwut 7y ago

ICU death rate heavily depends on whether the hospitals are overflown or not. The Italia or Spain ICU is not giving the same care now as it used to. The trajectory of cases and deaths in Sweden does not seem special to me, generally they seem to follow similar curve as other countries so far.

ghaff 7y ago
>The trajectory of cases and deaths in Sweden does not seem special to me Certainly doesn't seem to be well outside of the range of outcomes in other countries at any rate. From what I've read--no first hand knowledge--it's also a bit hard to interpret the effect of Sweden not locking down. Apparently, at least around Stockholm, many people were staying home and not traveling. On the other hand, in at least some places, people were still going to bars and the like so it's a bit of a mixed bag. Almost certainly not business as usual but also likely a fair bit looser than a lot of places with more formal lockdowns. (And there's even quite a bit of variance there.)