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I would like to differ on this. It's getting harder and harder to maintain dominance. Kasparov was the one to hold the longest. Magnus, even though he is one of

I would like to differ on this. It's getting harder and harder to maintain dominance. Kasparov was the one to hold the longest. Magnus, even though he is one of the best ever, is already losing out to Alireza in bullet, blitz and even almost in classical. Chess theory has a new Renaissance due to neutral networks and we will see newer GM's adapting to it.

vpa10 7y ago
This is not how I see it. Carlsen lost one insanely long online bullet match on lichess. He narrowly lost an online banter blitz match. This is not blitz, since also you have to talk while playing, which does not seem to suit Carlsen's personality. In classical, you can often "almost lose", except that Carlsen does not "actually lose", as exemplified by his ongoing record non-loss streak.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  In the banter blitz I saw, they aren't really bantering, just making offhand comments during downtime.
  - glxxyz 7y ago
    They don't really banter in 'banter blitz', they explain the position and their strategy, which is much more interesting.
  - thom 7y ago
    I watch a variety of games on Twitch, and I am fairly sure that no player would claim they play optimally while commentating themselves and explaining their thought processes.
- jquery 7y ago
  People are reading a bit too much into this loss. It is a big deal that someone was able to beat Magnus Carlsen at any time control, especially in this era where Magnus has seemingly reached a new level of chess skill, but bullet is by far the the easiest for a champion to make a mistake or series of them. Magnus is ridiculously strong at bullet but I’ve watched his live-streams and sometimes he blunders really badly, that’s just part of bullet. Although he is incredibly strong at bullet, probably 50-100 points higher than the world #2. Anyone not a high ranked GM wouldn’t stand a chance of beating him in a series of more than 5 games. But I’ve seen him lose to players he is obviously better than. He’s the #1 so they try their hardest. Nothing comes easily for Magnus.
  - pedrosorio 7y ago
    “Although he is incredibly strong at bullet, probably 50-100 points higher than the world #2” Are you forgetting about Hikaru Nakamura?
  - freyir 7y ago
    > "probably 50-100 points higher than the world #2" He can't be 50-100 points higher than himself. Hikaru is #1. https://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men_blitz https://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men_blitz
    - Taek 7y ago
      That's blitz. Bullet is a faster time control
      - freyir 7y ago
        Oh, you're right. Google pulls up FIDE's blitz rankings when you search for bullet chess rankings.
        ganeshkrishnan 7y ago
        Bullet games are not officially rated
- me_me_me 7y ago
  The classical time control chess is boring. It really feels like an exercise in memorization. I stopped watching those as almost every tournament ends in armagedon. Its a statement of the incredible skills top players poses, but its incredibly boring to watch draw after draw. Quicker time controls are more dynamic and allow to play subpar move to throw off your opponent. Often you can see some crazy attacks.
im3w1l 7y ago
And I thought short time controls were Magnus' forte. I guess it may be the one where age related decline sets in the quickest.
- jpmoral 7y ago
  Isn't he ridiculously strong at all time controls?
  - emerongi 7y ago
    He is. Carlsen is a unique player in many respects and he usually comes back even stronger from losses. To say that he is "losing out" to someone is a bit premature I would say.
- throwaway6575 7y ago
  Magnus is so incredibly strong that people think he's about to decline when suffering one (1) loss from another rising star in a niche online format. This is like when Capablanca didn't lose a single game between 1917 and 1924 and everyone acted like "the Schachmachine ist kaputt" when he broke his streak. The fact is that competition is incredibly tough and differences betwene player levels are imperceptible to all but the very most trained eyes. In fact that's why championships need so many games and tie-breakers - the people are so equal in ability that the most likely result from a match between to top level players is a draw.
thom 7y ago
I think if anyone has benefited from the coming of AlphaGo and Leela, it's Magnus himself. 2019 was such a renaissance for him partly because all these intuitive positional lines with pawn sacrifices opened up, and I felt in the years previous to that that his love for the game seemed slightly on the wane as he regularly became mired in others' Stockfish prep (while still being able to mostly pull it out due to endgame technique).
dmit 7y ago
In fact, it was Magnus himself (currently 29 years old, as of April 2020) who said his favorite chess player was himself, when he was around 23. That Magnus apparently saw things on the board that current (overwhelmingly dominant) Magnus can't any more. So even in chess there's a physical prime, just like in pretty much any other sport.
- nal100 7y ago
  He said that (jokingly) before his fabulous 2019 year. Right now he's spending a lot of time promoting chess24 with banter blitz, hanging around on lichess playing 100 games bullet matches, commenting on chess24 and other things that would profoundly ruin anyone else's concentration. So, no big deal if he very occasionally loses (online!) games.
  - pbhjpbhj 7y ago
    Carlsen losing is exceptionally good advertising, and makes him the center of more attention. It reminds me of the tennis player John McEnroe, win or lose we remember him for his outbursts, he made a lot of advertising money because of that. In short, Carlsen was probably beaten, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he was just winning at a different game (exposure or money).
dejv 7y ago
I am really curious if we are going too see players adopting AlphaZero tactics. Games I saw goes so against current intuition and it would be interesting to see chess evolving. Current crop of GMs benefited greatly from short feedback loops by using computers, but they still operate in explored problem space.
- gamegoblin 7y ago
  For what it's worth, Magnus has recently hit an all-time ratings high after a very, very slow decline over the last 5 years. And he attributes his recent bump to studying the AlphaZero games. https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=1503014 https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=1503014
buzzdenver 7y ago
Come on, it's not like Kasparov won all the tournaments. Magnus is far from invincible, but currently he's still dominating.

vpa10 7y ago

This is not how I see it. Carlsen lost one insanely long online bullet match on lichess. He narrowly lost an online banter blitz match. This is not blitz, since also you have to talk while playing, which does not seem to suit Carlsen's personality. In classical, you can often "almost lose", except that Carlsen does not "actually lose", as exemplified by his ongoing record non-loss streak.

lonelappde 7y ago
In the banter blitz I saw, they aren't really bantering, just making offhand comments during downtime.
- glxxyz 7y ago
  They don't really banter in 'banter blitz', they explain the position and their strategy, which is much more interesting.
- thom 7y ago
  I watch a variety of games on Twitch, and I am fairly sure that no player would claim they play optimally while commentating themselves and explaining their thought processes.
jquery 7y ago
People are reading a bit too much into this loss. It is a big deal that someone was able to beat Magnus Carlsen at any time control, especially in this era where Magnus has seemingly reached a new level of chess skill, but bullet is by far the the easiest for a champion to make a mistake or series of them. Magnus is ridiculously strong at bullet but I’ve watched his live-streams and sometimes he blunders really badly, that’s just part of bullet. Although he is incredibly strong at bullet, probably 50-100 points higher than the world #2. Anyone not a high ranked GM wouldn’t stand a chance of beating him in a series of more than 5 games. But I’ve seen him lose to players he is obviously better than. He’s the #1 so they try their hardest. Nothing comes easily for Magnus.
- pedrosorio 7y ago
  “Although he is incredibly strong at bullet, probably 50-100 points higher than the world #2” Are you forgetting about Hikaru Nakamura?
- freyir 7y ago
  > "probably 50-100 points higher than the world #2" He can't be 50-100 points higher than himself. Hikaru is #1. https://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men_blitz https://ratings.fide.com/top.phtml?list=men_blitz
  - Taek 7y ago
    That's blitz. Bullet is a faster time control
    - freyir 7y ago
      Oh, you're right. Google pulls up FIDE's blitz rankings when you search for bullet chess rankings.
      - ganeshkrishnan 7y ago
        Bullet games are not officially rated
me_me_me 7y ago
The classical time control chess is boring. It really feels like an exercise in memorization. I stopped watching those as almost every tournament ends in armagedon. Its a statement of the incredible skills top players poses, but its incredibly boring to watch draw after draw. Quicker time controls are more dynamic and allow to play subpar move to throw off your opponent. Often you can see some crazy attacks.

im3w1l 7y ago

And I thought short time controls were Magnus' forte. I guess it may be the one where age related decline sets in the quickest.

jpmoral 7y ago
Isn't he ridiculously strong at all time controls?
- emerongi 7y ago
  He is. Carlsen is a unique player in many respects and he usually comes back even stronger from losses. To say that he is "losing out" to someone is a bit premature I would say.
throwaway6575 7y ago
Magnus is so incredibly strong that people think he's about to decline when suffering one (1) loss from another rising star in a niche online format. This is like when Capablanca didn't lose a single game between 1917 and 1924 and everyone acted like "the Schachmachine ist kaputt" when he broke his streak. The fact is that competition is incredibly tough and differences betwene player levels are imperceptible to all but the very most trained eyes. In fact that's why championships need so many games and tie-breakers - the people are so equal in ability that the most likely result from a match between to top level players is a draw.

thom 7y ago

I think if anyone has benefited from the coming of AlphaGo and Leela, it's Magnus himself. 2019 was such a renaissance for him partly because all these intuitive positional lines with pawn sacrifices opened up, and I felt in the years previous to that that his love for the game seemed slightly on the wane as he regularly became mired in others' Stockfish prep (while still being able to mostly pull it out due to endgame technique).

dmit 7y ago

In fact, it was Magnus himself (currently 29 years old, as of April 2020) who said his favorite chess player was himself, when he was around 23. That Magnus apparently saw things on the board that current (overwhelmingly dominant) Magnus can't any more. So even in chess there's a physical prime, just like in pretty much any other sport.

nal100 7y ago
He said that (jokingly) before his fabulous 2019 year. Right now he's spending a lot of time promoting chess24 with banter blitz, hanging around on lichess playing 100 games bullet matches, commenting on chess24 and other things that would profoundly ruin anyone else's concentration. So, no big deal if he very occasionally loses (online!) games.
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  Carlsen losing is exceptionally good advertising, and makes him the center of more attention. It reminds me of the tennis player John McEnroe, win or lose we remember him for his outbursts, he made a lot of advertising money because of that. In short, Carlsen was probably beaten, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility that he was just winning at a different game (exposure or money).

dejv 7y ago

I am really curious if we are going too see players adopting AlphaZero tactics. Games I saw goes so against current intuition and it would be interesting to see chess evolving. Current crop of GMs benefited greatly from short feedback loops by using computers, but they still operate in explored problem space.

gamegoblin 7y ago
For what it's worth, Magnus has recently hit an all-time ratings high after a very, very slow decline over the last 5 years. And he attributes his recent bump to studying the AlphaZero games. https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=1503014 https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=1503014

buzzdenver 7y ago

Come on, it's not like Kasparov won all the tournaments. Magnus is far from invincible, but currently he's still dominating.