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Some jobs should not be done. That implies there are times we should root for people to lose their jobs. This may not be one of them. I just felt it was wort

Some jobs should not be done. That implies there are times we should root for people to lose their jobs. This may not be one of them. I just felt it was worth pointing out that this is a noble-sounding but poor idea.

kaesar14 7y ago
Semantically agreed, is there anything wrong with hoping lobbyists for oil companies and weapons manufacturers lose their jobs, for example? :)
- moodytunes 7y ago
  Not really, except it comes off as you hope the people currently employed as lobbyists and weapons manufactures lose their jobs. Once they get canned, someone else could take their place. Sounds like the disagreement is with the position itself, not the person who happens to be holding the job
nerdponx 7y ago
That implies there are times we should root for people to lose their jobs. We should root for people to lose specific jobs by way of those jobs disappearing. We should not root for people to lose their access to a baseline level of income, or otherwise a basic living standard. The fundamental problem with modern society is that jobs are prerequisite for acceptable living standards, including access to healthcare, education, housing, food, and social interaction. In most cases, minimum living standards depend on a minimum income, which is usually obtained by way of a job. Other times income alone is not the only prerequisite. In the case of healthcare (in the USA), you need a job through a formal employer in order to make healthcare affordable, i.e. without a formal job you need a much higher income in order to obtain healthcare at an acceptable standard. In my opinion, diminishing or eliminating the dependence of "living standards" on "job" is essential to a high-functioning society. Even if the dependence is only broken temporarily as part of a "social safety net". The USA has a social safety net, but it's frequently insufficient to maintain morally acceptable living standards.
camgunz 7y ago
No my point is that their kids shouldn't have to drop out of school, their parents shouldn't have to decide between meds, their family shouldn't lose their health insurance, etc. Maybe there are jobs that are so repugnant we should punish the families of those who hold them, but no matter your thoughts on the media or your political stripe, I hope we can agree that journalist (or any of the other myriad jobs at Vox) isn't one of them.

kaesar14 7y ago

Semantically agreed, is there anything wrong with hoping lobbyists for oil companies and weapons manufacturers lose their jobs, for example? :)

moodytunes 7y ago
Not really, except it comes off as you hope the people currently employed as lobbyists and weapons manufactures lose their jobs. Once they get canned, someone else could take their place. Sounds like the disagreement is with the position itself, not the person who happens to be holding the job

nerdponx 7y ago

That implies there are times we should root for people to lose their jobs. We should root for people to lose specific jobs by way of those jobs disappearing. We should not root for people to lose their access to a baseline level of income, or otherwise a basic living standard. The fundamental problem with modern society is that jobs are prerequisite for acceptable living standards, including access to healthcare, education, housing, food, and social interaction. In most cases, minimum living standards depend on a minimum income, which is usually obtained by way of a job. Other times income alone is not the only prerequisite. In the case of healthcare (in the USA), you need a job through a formal employer in order to make healthcare affordable, i.e. without a formal job you need a much higher income in order to obtain healthcare at an acceptable standard. In my opinion, diminishing or eliminating the dependence of "living standards" on "job" is essential to a high-functioning society. Even if the dependence is only broken temporarily as part of a "social safety net". The USA has a social safety net, but it's frequently insufficient to maintain morally acceptable living standards.

camgunz 7y ago

No my point is that their kids shouldn't have to drop out of school, their parents shouldn't have to decide between meds, their family shouldn't lose their health insurance, etc. Maybe there are jobs that are so repugnant we should punish the families of those who hold them, but no matter your thoughts on the media or your political stripe, I hope we can agree that journalist (or any of the other myriad jobs at Vox) isn't one of them.