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Competitive gamers care way too much about latency to use cloud gaming services for tournaments. Some Counter-strike players still use CRT monitors due to the l
by wolfd 6y ago
Competitive gamers care way too much about latency to use cloud gaming services for tournaments. Some Counter-strike players still use CRT monitors due to the latency advantage over LCD. I think that you won't see much adoption in competitive gaming, where every millisecond counts.
- jdc 6y agoHaha, how is 240hz not quick enough for these guys?
- foota 6y agoI think there's delay regardless of the refresh rate.
- shripadk 6y agoYou will have latency due to network effects. Streaming video/images is always going to be slower than streaming just coordinates and player metadata.
- throwaway894345 6y agoThe parent was talking about LCD vs CRT displays. The parent is confusing throughput (240 frames/second) with latency.
- jdc 6y agoIt's not throughput if the 240 refreshes per second are evenly-spaced apart in time. It's a polling rate and it absolutely effects responsiveness.
- fxtentacle 6y ago240hz is butter smooth. But if there's a 200ms delay, then you will still lose before you even see the enemy. The problem here is buffering. Stadia can produce 60hz video, but that doesn't mean you will see it immediately. It first needs to be encoded, buffered, transmitted, buffered, decoded, buffered, sent to the screen, buffered, refreshed, and then you'll see it. And unless people find a way to increase the speed of light, the transmission will always take time proportional to the distance between Stadia's servers and you.
- imtringued 6y agoSpeed of light is not a big deal as long as you don't run the datacenter on the other side of the planet. Video encoding is a much bigger source of latency. The lower the latency the higher the bitrate for the same quality. Since there is an upperbound for the bitrate the cost of encoding the video will dominate.
- gpm 6y agoThe largest straight line distance across the US is 2802 miles (Florida to Washington), according to the internet. That's 15 light milliseconds in a vacuum. That's roughly a frame of delay at 60fps. You need to multiply by another 1.5 to account for the speed of light in fiber, and fiber doesn't go in straight lines, but at the same time datacenters and users are unlikely to be literally as far apart as possible, so let's pretend those cancel out. You don't need to be across the world for it to matter, just across the continent.
- earthtourist 6y agoYes, and no one should try to play competitive games across a continent. Competitions must be regional. Internet latency is great within a few hundred miles.
- gpm 6y agoThis isn't a question of where the players are relative to eachother, this is a question of where the players are relative to the datacenter with tons of expensive GPUs. Also for many games where that datacenter is relative to the game servers.
- rubatuga 6y agoNot anymore, LCDs these days have less than 1ms input lag.
- microcolonel 6y agoNo, they don't.
- eBombzor 6y agoSource?
- smabie 6y agoThat's not true. To get 1ms of response time, you generally need a TN panel (and even then, you'll see ghosting running in the 1ms fast mode).
- rubatuga 6y agoCorrection: less than 4ms input lag
- vardump 6y agoCitation please? That sounds physically impossible.
- chance_state 6y agoI follow pro csgo closely. No one uses a fucking CRT.