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> Meanwhile they touched several times on the fact that Trump touted the drug. I did notice that. There were articles and some research before and everyone see

by rdtsc 7y ago

> Meanwhile they touched several times on the fact that Trump touted the drug. I did notice that. There were articles and some research before and everyone seemed interested and noticed as soon as he mentioned it the majority opinion almost immediately switched to "it's dangerous", "let's avoid it", "it probably won't work" while all the other alternatives seem to be still "interesting" and "worth studying" etc.

outworlder 7y ago
> I did notice that. There were articles and some research before and everyone seemed interested and noticed as soon as he mentioned it the majority opinion almost immediately switched to "it's dangerous", "let's avoid it", "it probably won't work" while all the other alternatives seem to be still "interesting" and "worth studying" etc. The fact that a politician is pushing an (yet) unproven drug has to be viewed with skepticism. The flip side is that it caused a cascade of reactions from other governments trying to control the drug's supply. They may have reasoned that a world leader has information they do not. And other governments (see this article) started pushing it as a treatment too. Additionally, now people are pushing the drug as a political issue. By people, I mean the average joe. This is damaging. Regardless, science is doing its thing. Trials are ongoing, as this article shows. But politicians should refrain from making baseless statements about subjects they know zero about.
- dmix 7y ago
  Notably on Feb 4th China announced their researchers were recommending testing chloroquine, about a month and a half(?) before Trump mentioned it: http://www.whiov.ac.cn/kyjz_105338/202002/t20200204_5497136.html?from=groupmessage http://www.whiov.ac.cn/kyjz_105338/202002/t20200204_5497136.... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/health/coronavirus-treatments.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/health/coronavirus-treatm... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 This was the original study which I believe influenced the French study and Dr. Zelenko (who seemed to be the nexus to Trump). The UK banned export of CQ around Feb 26th (I believe the first country to do so): https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/uk-bans-parallel-export-of-two-covid19-treatment-candidates.html https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/uk-bans-parallel-exp... From Google's custom date searches is looks like Trump first mentioned it in a press conference on March 19th: https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1240672025989001221 https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1240672025989001221
marcosdumay 7y ago
It helps that he mentioned it just a couple of days before some studies (more controlled than what have been done before) finished and posted their non-results in preprint. I mean... When scientists start discovering that a drug probably doesn't work, it's natural that people change their opinion from "I hope this works" to "it probably doesn't work".

by rdtsc 7y ago

outworlder 7y ago

> I did notice that. There were articles and some research before and everyone seemed interested and noticed as soon as he mentioned it the majority opinion almost immediately switched to "it's dangerous", "let's avoid it", "it probably won't work" while all the other alternatives seem to be still "interesting" and "worth studying" etc. The fact that a politician is pushing an (yet) unproven drug has to be viewed with skepticism. The flip side is that it caused a cascade of reactions from other governments trying to control the drug's supply. They may have reasoned that a world leader has information they do not. And other governments (see this article) started pushing it as a treatment too. Additionally, now people are pushing the drug as a political issue. By people, I mean the average joe. This is damaging. Regardless, science is doing its thing. Trials are ongoing, as this article shows. But politicians should refrain from making baseless statements about subjects they know zero about.

dmix 7y ago
Notably on Feb 4th China announced their researchers were recommending testing chloroquine, about a month and a half(?) before Trump mentioned it: http://www.whiov.ac.cn/kyjz_105338/202002/t20200204_5497136.html?from=groupmessage http://www.whiov.ac.cn/kyjz_105338/202002/t20200204_5497136.... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/health/coronavirus-treatments.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/06/health/coronavirus-treatm... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0 This was the original study which I believe influenced the French study and Dr. Zelenko (who seemed to be the nexus to Trump). The UK banned export of CQ around Feb 26th (I believe the first country to do so): https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/uk-bans-parallel-export-of-two-covid19-treatment-candidates.html https://ihsmarkit.com/research-analysis/uk-bans-parallel-exp... From Google's custom date searches is looks like Trump first mentioned it in a press conference on March 19th: https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1240672025989001221 https://twitter.com/cspan/status/1240672025989001221

marcosdumay 7y ago

It helps that he mentioned it just a couple of days before some studies (more controlled than what have been done before) finished and posted their non-results in preprint. I mean... When scientists start discovering that a drug probably doesn't work, it's natural that people change their opinion from "I hope this works" to "it probably doesn't work".