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We need no-contact home delivery. To do it in a just way: full PPE protections, hazard pay, and eliminating the brutal economic exploitation forcing people to

We need no-contact home delivery. To do it in a just way: full PPE protections, hazard pay, and eliminating the brutal economic exploitation forcing people to go to work in these conditions: give them other options. If these are supposedly essential services, this is not too much to ask.

DoreenMichele 7y ago
There is a long list of problems with this suggestion, starting with how amazingly classist it is. Let's just point out that some people are homeless, soup kitchens are closing and homeless people still need to somehow eat. Homelessness is a problem we should have already done something about before we had a global pandemic, but couldn't be arsed because we were too busy being in denial about the systemic issues that help foster it. We prefer the narrative that "It's just a bunch of crazies and junkies and not caused by our crappy housing policies and health care policies in the US. No need to actually build housing that people can afford to live in without a car and without taking on a roommate they've never met before." As someone who actually has a compromised immune system, I don't want delivery drivers. I hate getting food delivered. People are at their worst when they are alone with no eyes on them. I don't want angry, stressed out, underpaid people alone with my food for ten minutes or more while they drive it to my home (which happens to be not conducive to contactless delivery and I don't want to get into the reasons why, suffice it to say it isn't a McMansion in the 'burbs). I don't know what possesses people to imagine that delivery is superior method for germ control. That doesn't at all fit with my understanding of life, the universe and everything.
- shirakawasuna 7y ago
  "There is a long list of problems with this suggestion, starting with how amazingly classist it is." It's the opposite of classist, it's about bringing food to everyone in the safest way possible. This is how Vietnam handled their lockdown to great success and they guaranteed food to everyone. "Let's just point out that some people are homeless, soup kitchens are closing and homeless people still need to somehow eat." Bring food to them. Everyone deserves to eat. In addition, house them. Hotels are more empty than ever before. "As someone who actually has a compromised immune system, I don't want delivery drivers. I hate getting food delivered." The grocery store is even worse. It's a nexus for disease, has unenforceable distancing, and mandatory touching of shared materials. Delivered food (i.e., groceries if you can cook) will have to be sterilized just like food you buy at the grocery store, but without those concerns. If it's stable at ambient outdoor temperature, you can also leave it outside for hours to decrease the chance of contact. "I don't know what possesses people to imagine that delivery is superior method for germ control. That doesn't at all fit with my understanding of life, the universe and everything." This is a tried and true method that limits contact and the spread of disease.
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- mzfanclub 7y ago
  I for one am delighted to hear mz's unrelated life story for the 500th time. Who's with me.
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DoreenMichele 7y ago

There is a long list of problems with this suggestion, starting with how amazingly classist it is. Let's just point out that some people are homeless, soup kitchens are closing and homeless people still need to somehow eat. Homelessness is a problem we should have already done something about before we had a global pandemic, but couldn't be arsed because we were too busy being in denial about the systemic issues that help foster it. We prefer the narrative that "It's just a bunch of crazies and junkies and not caused by our crappy housing policies and health care policies in the US. No need to actually build housing that people can afford to live in without a car and without taking on a roommate they've never met before." As someone who actually has a compromised immune system, I don't want delivery drivers. I hate getting food delivered. People are at their worst when they are alone with no eyes on them. I don't want angry, stressed out, underpaid people alone with my food for ten minutes or more while they drive it to my home (which happens to be not conducive to contactless delivery and I don't want to get into the reasons why, suffice it to say it isn't a McMansion in the 'burbs). I don't know what possesses people to imagine that delivery is superior method for germ control. That doesn't at all fit with my understanding of life, the universe and everything.

shirakawasuna 7y ago
"There is a long list of problems with this suggestion, starting with how amazingly classist it is." It's the opposite of classist, it's about bringing food to everyone in the safest way possible. This is how Vietnam handled their lockdown to great success and they guaranteed food to everyone. "Let's just point out that some people are homeless, soup kitchens are closing and homeless people still need to somehow eat." Bring food to them. Everyone deserves to eat. In addition, house them. Hotels are more empty than ever before. "As someone who actually has a compromised immune system, I don't want delivery drivers. I hate getting food delivered." The grocery store is even worse. It's a nexus for disease, has unenforceable distancing, and mandatory touching of shared materials. Delivered food (i.e., groceries if you can cook) will have to be sterilized just like food you buy at the grocery store, but without those concerns. If it's stable at ambient outdoor temperature, you can also leave it outside for hours to decrease the chance of contact. "I don't know what possesses people to imagine that delivery is superior method for germ control. That doesn't at all fit with my understanding of life, the universe and everything." This is a tried and true method that limits contact and the spread of disease.
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mzfanclub 7y ago
I for one am delighted to hear mz's unrelated life story for the 500th time. Who's with me.
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