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>You just won’t be able to enjoy online multiplayer No, i'll be able to enjoy online multiplayer in one of the many, many games whose devs don't feel like they

>You just won’t be able to enjoy online multiplayer No, i'll be able to enjoy online multiplayer in one of the many, many games whose devs don't feel like they need to monitor and control my computer to provide a quality game.

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
Sure! That's a perfectly reasonable strategy, and one that I pursue as well. But competitive FPS games really do need to monitor and control your computer to stop ubiquitous aimbotting, so I don't begrudge those devs for doing it.
tester756 7y ago
then don't play, what's the problem cheating is very serious problem and there are no easy solutions teams of skilled developers have been challenging it over decades and this is how it evolved
volkk 7y ago
It's a naive viewpoint. Prime example: Counter strike. Even with VAC(valve anti cheat) measures, the game is full of cheaters. Those aren't super intrusive, and the game simply isn't fun for anybody who cares at all about competitive gameplay. So people move onto other platforms that support more intrusive anticheats. I'm not really sure what the solution is, but given your stance, that would just mean every FPS game will be rendered borderline unplayable because of all of the cheaters on it. And I mean, if that's your point--to just not play competitive FPS games, then I'm not really sure what we're even arguing here.
- thu2111 7y ago
  Right. The vast majority of players moved to the platforms with the most intrusive anti-cheat of all years ago: games consoles. The market spoke. A few geeks with hangups about kernel drivers are irrelevant next to the masses of people who will happily buy entire dedicated gaming computers designed from the ground up to be physically tamperproof.
  - volkk 7y ago
    I should have been more explicit, but by other platforms, I meant ESEA/Faceit that provide their own anti cheat systems that run independently of VAC. I'm not sure I'm really seeing many people go to ps4/xbox simply because of some cheaters on PC?
    - thu2111 7y ago
      Well, most gamers went to consoles over time and there was certainly a thriving cheating scene there, that the console makers (at least Microsoft) were able to push back and destroy. Multi-player is pretty popular everywhere so it's probably a factor, though I'm not enough of a gamer to care. My skillz are so weak it feels like everyone is cheating all the time :)
  - burfog 7y ago
    The PC contains my valuable data and is needed for important non-game uses. With the PC, reliability and security for those other tasks must not be compromised for a mere game. Game consoles are toys. Even if the game screwed up the game console, it wouldn't be very intrusive.

SpicyLemonZest 7y ago

Sure! That's a perfectly reasonable strategy, and one that I pursue as well. But competitive FPS games really do need to monitor and control your computer to stop ubiquitous aimbotting, so I don't begrudge those devs for doing it.

tester756 7y ago

then don't play, what's the problem cheating is very serious problem and there are no easy solutions teams of skilled developers have been challenging it over decades and this is how it evolved

volkk 7y ago

It's a naive viewpoint. Prime example: Counter strike. Even with VAC(valve anti cheat) measures, the game is full of cheaters. Those aren't super intrusive, and the game simply isn't fun for anybody who cares at all about competitive gameplay. So people move onto other platforms that support more intrusive anticheats. I'm not really sure what the solution is, but given your stance, that would just mean every FPS game will be rendered borderline unplayable because of all of the cheaters on it. And I mean, if that's your point--to just not play competitive FPS games, then I'm not really sure what we're even arguing here.

thu2111 7y ago
Right. The vast majority of players moved to the platforms with the most intrusive anti-cheat of all years ago: games consoles. The market spoke. A few geeks with hangups about kernel drivers are irrelevant next to the masses of people who will happily buy entire dedicated gaming computers designed from the ground up to be physically tamperproof.
- volkk 7y ago
  I should have been more explicit, but by other platforms, I meant ESEA/Faceit that provide their own anti cheat systems that run independently of VAC. I'm not sure I'm really seeing many people go to ps4/xbox simply because of some cheaters on PC?
  - thu2111 7y ago
    Well, most gamers went to consoles over time and there was certainly a thriving cheating scene there, that the console makers (at least Microsoft) were able to push back and destroy. Multi-player is pretty popular everywhere so it's probably a factor, though I'm not enough of a gamer to care. My skillz are so weak it feels like everyone is cheating all the time :)
- burfog 7y ago
  The PC contains my valuable data and is needed for important non-game uses. With the PC, reliability and security for those other tasks must not be compromised for a mere game. Game consoles are toys. Even if the game screwed up the game console, it wouldn't be very intrusive.