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>unless you maintained a 100% strict policy of only installing using Ports (yeah right) What do you mean "yeah right"? That's precisely how everyone I know ha

>unless you maintained a 100% strict policy of only installing using Ports (yeah right) What do you mean "yeah right"? That's precisely how everyone I know has always managed our BSD fleets. If something isn't in ports (yeah right), you just make a port out of it. It takes 5 minutes unless the software has some crazy messed up build system.

AsyncAwait 7y ago
Same on Linux, unless the software has some crazy build system, at which point you probably won't and that's exactly OP's point.
- asdkjh345fd 7y ago
  I have no idea what you are trying to convey.
  - AsyncAwait 7y ago
    It's quite simple really. On BSDs you tend to use ports to keep your filesystem tidy, but the moment you need something that's not already packaged you either a.) package it yourself b.) the build system is complex and thus you don't package it properly and make a bit of a mess on your filesystem. So while BSDs might have slightly better FS layout as far as separation of user & system software, in the end you'd probably end up with a bunch of untracked files outside the system's software manager, no matter if you're on Linux or BSD.
    - asdkjh345fd 7y ago
      Again, you're just ignoring what I said. I've managed tens of thousands of BSD systems for 25 years. I've never had anything installed that wasn't registered in the package database so all its files were uninstalled correctly. Yes, you literally do stick entirely to ports, creating a port when needed. Having a complex build system doesn't mess up your filesystem, it makes it take longer to create the port.
      - AsyncAwait 7y ago
        Good for you, but you can do exactly the same on Linux, so there's no advantage for BSDs there. My myself have seen plenty of cases of people not having the time to create a package for a software they need now, but maybe the domain BSD is used in is less prone to needing software prone to that. Maybe it's just you being lucky. However again, that's not a technical benefit. You can do exactly the same on Linux.
        asdkjh345fd 7y ago
        >Good for you, but you can do exactly the same on Linux, Nobody suggested otherwise. Read what you reply to.
IshKebab 7y ago
> If something isn't in ports (yeah right) Err, yeah yes. Not everything is in Ports. Software doesn't magically appear in Ports as soon as it is written. I would have thought that was blindingly obvious.
- asdkjh345fd 7y ago
  99%+ of software people use is in ports. And for the <1% that isn't, it takes 5 minutes to make one. Like I said in the post you replied to without bothering to read.

AsyncAwait 7y ago

Same on Linux, unless the software has some crazy build system, at which point you probably won't and that's exactly OP's point.

asdkjh345fd 7y ago
I have no idea what you are trying to convey.
- AsyncAwait 7y ago
  It's quite simple really. On BSDs you tend to use ports to keep your filesystem tidy, but the moment you need something that's not already packaged you either a.) package it yourself b.) the build system is complex and thus you don't package it properly and make a bit of a mess on your filesystem. So while BSDs might have slightly better FS layout as far as separation of user & system software, in the end you'd probably end up with a bunch of untracked files outside the system's software manager, no matter if you're on Linux or BSD.
  - asdkjh345fd 7y ago
    Again, you're just ignoring what I said. I've managed tens of thousands of BSD systems for 25 years. I've never had anything installed that wasn't registered in the package database so all its files were uninstalled correctly. Yes, you literally do stick entirely to ports, creating a port when needed. Having a complex build system doesn't mess up your filesystem, it makes it take longer to create the port.
    - AsyncAwait 7y ago
      Good for you, but you can do exactly the same on Linux, so there's no advantage for BSDs there. My myself have seen plenty of cases of people not having the time to create a package for a software they need now, but maybe the domain BSD is used in is less prone to needing software prone to that. Maybe it's just you being lucky. However again, that's not a technical benefit. You can do exactly the same on Linux.
      - asdkjh345fd 7y ago
        >Good for you, but you can do exactly the same on Linux, Nobody suggested otherwise. Read what you reply to.

IshKebab 7y ago

> If something isn't in ports (yeah right) Err, yeah yes. Not everything is in Ports. Software doesn't magically appear in Ports as soon as it is written. I would have thought that was blindingly obvious.

asdkjh345fd 7y ago
99%+ of software people use is in ports. And for the <1% that isn't, it takes 5 minutes to make one. Like I said in the post you replied to without bothering to read.