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I'm annoyed with the connection between SARS-CoV-2 and bioweapon. This is such a garbage bioweapon for two reasons: This doesn't kill military aged men and it c

I'm annoyed with the connection between SARS-CoV-2 and bioweapon. This is such a garbage bioweapon for two reasons: This doesn't kill military aged men and it cannot be readily shut off. American scientists have nailed down when the cross over event occurred and how it happened. The world's top virologists also have said multiple times that this is not a bioweapon, people who have studied viruses for decades. But people who aren't even in the medical field keep peddling the narrative that this is a bioweapon. Amazing. Here's the list of agents that are better than SARS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioterrorism#Types_of_agents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioterrorism#Types_of_agents Edit: So far I'm dissapointed with the comments to my post. I can't tell if some of these are trolls or not, but generally they don't add much to the discussion. These hypotheticals are specious, sure they sound like lucid idea but with even a slight amount of criticism they'd fall apart. I'm going to posit some ideas here. Why didn't China weaponize H5N1? It has a higher Ro and CFR. It is commonly found throughout Southeast Asia and is what most pandemic experts thought was going to be the next pandemic. How would a virus get through a biosafety level 4 lab? If anyone else here has experience in biosafety labs I'm all ears, but I'd be shocked that a virus would be able to escape from something like that; not that mistakes don't happen but this isn't exactly a durable pathogen. Then we have the issue of every single advanced military in the world wouldn't even touch The Coronavirus family. I'm going to go ahead and assume that the people who are making bioweapons are good at their jobs and can recognize what makes a good bioweapon and what doesn't. Finally, there are just so many better options for bioweapons. The US invests massive amounts in making precision weapons because when you're a military power hitting a precise location is what's key. COVID is like a cluster bomb that has 90% duds. But after all of this, instead of random people on the internet, we have experts who have time and time again said that COVID is not a bioweapon: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/01/29/experts-debunk-fringe-theory-linking-chinas-coronavirus-weapons-research/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/01/29/experts-debu... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9?fbclid=IwAR0cOVC4i9wyLuODURmxAxWWGOUm9RyzHmzTBA98jI_SR-ou8v-8_MLJgP4 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9?fbclid=IwA... https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-la... https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/coronavirus-cotton-fact-check/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/18/politics/coronavirus-cott... https://www.ft.com/content/a6392ee6-4ec6-11ea-95a0-43d18ec715f5 https://www.ft.com/content/a6392ee6-4ec6-11ea-95a0-43d18ec71...

adventured 7y ago
It probably walked out of a Wuhan lab, with a lab tech or equivalent as the unaware infected carrier; which doesn't make it a bioweapon at all. It may have been sampled by China's large effort to search their territory for viruses, and then it was studied in Wuhan. It's most likely a mistake of incompetence. There is precedence in that it has happened multiple times in China with SARS since the original outbreak in 2003. Incompetence of this sort would also perfectly explain the regime's response to destroy evidence and try to cover it up.
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- chillacy 7y ago
  That's not a disprovable statement so I won't try to argue that it didn't happen that way, but pandemics have happened in the past. We should expect that they continue to happen even in the absence of bioengineering accidents. And we should be ready for them.
- ferest 7y ago
  probably...most likely... your wild guessing leads to your point with no trustworthy evidence ...
- light_cone 7y ago
  The most credible evidence has been gathered and presented in a youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU . The youtuber was a long time china immigrant before being forced to move abroad.
  - dirtyid 7y ago
    This entire video is translating open-source conspiracy theories that Chinese netizens conjured up under lockdown. You know what else was conjured up under lock down? US engineered weapon from Fort Detrick disguised as vape pneumonia that later infected Wuhan via international military games. Both theories has exactly the same credibility and validity. It's ridiculous that people think laowhy and serpenza are credible China-watchers. They're travel bloggers and now clickbait video generators. The amount of people who get all their information and opinions on China from these two is worryingly staggering. There is an incredible amount of subject matter experts that specialize and operate in China. Literal billions are poured into NGOs, think tanks and other intelligence sources with boots on the ground. Granted much of it is not great, but they're infinitely more reliable than a couple youtubers who got kicked out of China and have no professional prospects outside of click bait conspiracy theory. Also notice how he has recent videos about China killing his dreams, his move out of China and his wife divorcing him. Do you think that would cloud his judgement? Why isn't there a video on netizens work on the US engineered virus conspiracy theory? Youtubers =/= credible sources.

adventured 7y ago

It probably walked out of a Wuhan lab, with a lab tech or equivalent as the unaware infected carrier; which doesn't make it a bioweapon at all. It may have been sampled by China's large effort to search their territory for viruses, and then it was studied in Wuhan. It's most likely a mistake of incompetence. There is precedence in that it has happened multiple times in China with SARS since the original outbreak in 2003. Incompetence of this sort would also perfectly explain the regime's response to destroy evidence and try to cover it up.

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chillacy 7y ago
That's not a disprovable statement so I won't try to argue that it didn't happen that way, but pandemics have happened in the past. We should expect that they continue to happen even in the absence of bioengineering accidents. And we should be ready for them.
ferest 7y ago
probably...most likely... your wild guessing leads to your point with no trustworthy evidence ...
light_cone 7y ago
The most credible evidence has been gathered and presented in a youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU . The youtuber was a long time china immigrant before being forced to move abroad.
- dirtyid 7y ago
  This entire video is translating open-source conspiracy theories that Chinese netizens conjured up under lockdown. You know what else was conjured up under lock down? US engineered weapon from Fort Detrick disguised as vape pneumonia that later infected Wuhan via international military games. Both theories has exactly the same credibility and validity. It's ridiculous that people think laowhy and serpenza are credible China-watchers. They're travel bloggers and now clickbait video generators. The amount of people who get all their information and opinions on China from these two is worryingly staggering. There is an incredible amount of subject matter experts that specialize and operate in China. Literal billions are poured into NGOs, think tanks and other intelligence sources with boots on the ground. Granted much of it is not great, but they're infinitely more reliable than a couple youtubers who got kicked out of China and have no professional prospects outside of click bait conspiracy theory. Also notice how he has recent videos about China killing his dreams, his move out of China and his wife divorcing him. Do you think that would cloud his judgement? Why isn't there a video on netizens work on the US engineered virus conspiracy theory? Youtubers =/= credible sources.