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The technology used for this is the same as for locating your lost device and takes care of privacy in a very smart way, more info: https://www.wired.com/story/

by 01CGAT 6y ago

The technology used for this is the same as for locating your lost device and takes care of privacy in a very smart way, more info: https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluetooth/ https://www.wired.com/story/apple-find-my-cryptography-bluet... "Apple says an elaborate rotating key scheme will soon let you track down your stolen laptop, but not let anyone track you. Not even Apple."

harry8 6y ago
Bullshit
harry8 6y ago
I'm sorry if a one word dismissal is too confronting for those who know absolutely nothing about what has been going on in dragnet surveillance in silicon valley. But see all these words I'm writing? They don't change the fact that it is impossible to be cynical enough about such fatuous claims. You'd have to be stunningly ignorant to give them more than a second of credulous thought. Apple are not the good guys or anything like it. Trust Apple to secure you from anyone? You're utterly insane of you do. > "but not let anyone track you. Not even Apple." Bullshit is about the most polite response such a claim should be received with. There is not enough bile in the world for it. Better?
- epistasis 6y ago
  This is no better, because you are not saying anything of substance. There is no engagement with fact or reality, just pure emotion and intuition. While this is good enough for some political offices, it is not typically good enough for HN comments. If you can show the claim to be wrong, you will receive tremendous accolades, and perhaps fame within certain communities. If you just have suspicions, that's uninteresting and not useful.
  - harry8 6y ago
    It's insane such a nonsense claim was made here. Really. Why would anyone take it seriously? Make the case it should be taken seriously in the light of what we've found in the past few years. Please. Such a substanceless assertion can be dismissed without further analysis. If we don't like how awful the reputations if silicon valley companies are with respect such claims, having a tantrum about it doesn't change much.
- simonh 6y ago
  If Google or Apple wanted to track the movements and activities of everyone using an Android phone or iPhone, they would just do it. They wouldn’t need to publish an API and wouldn’t need to tell you about it. They could just do it and we might never know. So this has nothing whatever to do with trust of Google or Apple tracking us, it’s about trusting what data they share and expose via this API for virus contact tracing. That’s it. That’s why the concerns of the linked article, and yours, while possibly valid in a themselves are completely irrelevant to this specific issue of virus contact tracing.
  - harry8 6y ago
    It is utterly insane to trust Google or Apple for any reason whatsoever under any circumstance. They lie as often as they can get away with. You understand what they do, with with it or not despite any promises they make. Fool me yet again and i feel bad so I'll trust you absolutely now? Come on!
    - xvector 6y ago
      Multiple people have asked you to support your claims with evidence. Why is it so hard for you to do this? Could it be that you have none?!
      - harry8 6y ago
        Hahaha. Oh really. You're serious? You don't think silicon valley has performed the most massive bait and switch setting up a surveillance state? You've never heard of the NSA? You don't think Apple, Google and All the rest have literally created APIs to serve them? The case is not one I have to make. The case for not treating "trust" with utter, withering contempt is the one that has to be made. And it has not been made. At all. Why? Because it's actually not possible to do with a straight face. But have a go. You seem confident at least.

by 01CGAT 6y ago

harry8 6y ago

Bullshit

harry8 6y ago

I'm sorry if a one word dismissal is too confronting for those who know absolutely nothing about what has been going on in dragnet surveillance in silicon valley. But see all these words I'm writing? They don't change the fact that it is impossible to be cynical enough about such fatuous claims. You'd have to be stunningly ignorant to give them more than a second of credulous thought. Apple are not the good guys or anything like it. Trust Apple to secure you from anyone? You're utterly insane of you do. > "but not let anyone track you. Not even Apple." Bullshit is about the most polite response such a claim should be received with. There is not enough bile in the world for it. Better?

epistasis 6y ago
This is no better, because you are not saying anything of substance. There is no engagement with fact or reality, just pure emotion and intuition. While this is good enough for some political offices, it is not typically good enough for HN comments. If you can show the claim to be wrong, you will receive tremendous accolades, and perhaps fame within certain communities. If you just have suspicions, that's uninteresting and not useful.
- harry8 6y ago
  It's insane such a nonsense claim was made here. Really. Why would anyone take it seriously? Make the case it should be taken seriously in the light of what we've found in the past few years. Please. Such a substanceless assertion can be dismissed without further analysis. If we don't like how awful the reputations if silicon valley companies are with respect such claims, having a tantrum about it doesn't change much.
simonh 6y ago
If Google or Apple wanted to track the movements and activities of everyone using an Android phone or iPhone, they would just do it. They wouldn’t need to publish an API and wouldn’t need to tell you about it. They could just do it and we might never know. So this has nothing whatever to do with trust of Google or Apple tracking us, it’s about trusting what data they share and expose via this API for virus contact tracing. That’s it. That’s why the concerns of the linked article, and yours, while possibly valid in a themselves are completely irrelevant to this specific issue of virus contact tracing.
- harry8 6y ago
  It is utterly insane to trust Google or Apple for any reason whatsoever under any circumstance. They lie as often as they can get away with. You understand what they do, with with it or not despite any promises they make. Fool me yet again and i feel bad so I'll trust you absolutely now? Come on!
  - xvector 6y ago
    Multiple people have asked you to support your claims with evidence. Why is it so hard for you to do this? Could it be that you have none?!
    - harry8 6y ago
      Hahaha. Oh really. You're serious? You don't think silicon valley has performed the most massive bait and switch setting up a surveillance state? You've never heard of the NSA? You don't think Apple, Google and All the rest have literally created APIs to serve them? The case is not one I have to make. The case for not treating "trust" with utter, withering contempt is the one that has to be made. And it has not been made. At all. Why? Because it's actually not possible to do with a straight face. But have a go. You seem confident at least.