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Decentralized != peer-2-peer Arguably the web is already decentralized but the economic incentive is filled by large corporations and abused via logging analyt

Decentralized != peer-2-peer Arguably the web is already decentralized but the economic incentive is filled by large corporations and abused via logging analytics.

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mindslight 7y ago
The way to analyze whether something is centralized is to look at its namespace. Federation is not decentralization. You're not a first class speaker if your name can simply be taken away.
- Nursie 7y ago
  You can opt out of the DNS system, there have been other systems in the past (AlterNIC was one such, quite some time back, IIRC). Turns out nobody cares.
  - mindslight 7y ago
    I do remember AlterNIC and other such attempts, but they aren't germane to decentralization. Being able to switch to an alternative federation root is still federation.
    - Nursie 7y ago
      The point is that one is free to run one's own root if need be. Similarly to the post you replied to - centralisation of name resolution is by market choice, not technological lock. The incentive is for everyone to coalesce around one service though.
      - mindslight 7y ago
        Sure, just as one can keep their own /etc/hosts. But we're talking about coordination between groups of people, and the power structures that result therein. An alternative root just creates a new instance with the same structure. > centralisation of name resolution is by market choice, not technological lock. The incentive is for everyone to coalesce around one service though The technological deficiency creates the market incentive towards centralization. If one could easily remap (eg ycombinator.com -> ycombinator.com.icann), DNS would have had a fighting chance. But what we really want is the ability to reconcile-merge differing perspectives, rather than competing all-or-nothing trees.
  - api 7y ago
    Nobody cares that something is centralized either. There is no preference either way. Simple hierarchical systems like DNS have been faster, easier to implement, and have scaled better. If someone can make decentralized alternatives competitive they have a chance. The bottom line to always remember is that 99% of your users, even technical ones, don't care one bit how it works. They only care that it does.
    - Proven 7y ago
      > Nobody cares that something is centralized either. There is no preference either way. Sure. But one is very convenient and the other one sucks. So 99.9999% of people prefer centralized.
- dooglius 7y ago
  That's a great way of looking at it

Decentralized != peer-2-peer Arguably the web is already decentralized but the economic incentive is filled by large corporations and abused via logging analytics.

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mindslight 7y ago

The way to analyze whether something is centralized is to look at its namespace. Federation is not decentralization. You're not a first class speaker if your name can simply be taken away.

Nursie 7y ago
You can opt out of the DNS system, there have been other systems in the past (AlterNIC was one such, quite some time back, IIRC). Turns out nobody cares.
- mindslight 7y ago
  I do remember AlterNIC and other such attempts, but they aren't germane to decentralization. Being able to switch to an alternative federation root is still federation.
  - Nursie 7y ago
    The point is that one is free to run one's own root if need be. Similarly to the post you replied to - centralisation of name resolution is by market choice, not technological lock. The incentive is for everyone to coalesce around one service though.
    - mindslight 7y ago
      Sure, just as one can keep their own /etc/hosts. But we're talking about coordination between groups of people, and the power structures that result therein. An alternative root just creates a new instance with the same structure. > centralisation of name resolution is by market choice, not technological lock. The incentive is for everyone to coalesce around one service though The technological deficiency creates the market incentive towards centralization. If one could easily remap (eg ycombinator.com -> ycombinator.com.icann), DNS would have had a fighting chance. But what we really want is the ability to reconcile-merge differing perspectives, rather than competing all-or-nothing trees.
- api 7y ago
  Nobody cares that something is centralized either. There is no preference either way. Simple hierarchical systems like DNS have been faster, easier to implement, and have scaled better. If someone can make decentralized alternatives competitive they have a chance. The bottom line to always remember is that 99% of your users, even technical ones, don't care one bit how it works. They only care that it does.
  - Proven 7y ago
    > Nobody cares that something is centralized either. There is no preference either way. Sure. But one is very convenient and the other one sucks. So 99.9999% of people prefer centralized.
dooglius 7y ago
That's a great way of looking at it