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Young people die also when the health system is overloaded.

by wbl 7y ago

siscia 7y ago
Still much less than the elders and I am not sure what your comment means. Again, what I am saying is that the lockdown punish purple differently, the most punished are the least affected by the virus itself
- sosborn 7y ago
  Young people will die not just from the virus, but from inadequate medical care caused by overloaded hospitals. It’s a shit situation for young adults, but sometimes life isn’t fair.
  - siscia 7y ago
    Sure, but younger have less need of medical care in general. Moreover, lock down all the elders and the ICU won't be so busy...
    - gnulinux 7y ago
      How do you lock down elders? Do you expect cops to look at people's IDs and check if they're 65+? This is ridiculous, the only practical way is to close places where people are inclined to gather such as bars/restaurants etc.
      - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
        If we can ban people under 21 from bars we can ban people over 65. I'm not sure we should, but it's not a logistical impossibility.
    - sosborn 7y ago
      > Sure, but younger have less need of medical care in general. True, but that doesn't mean a whole lot of young people wouldn't needlessly die. You seem really committed to turning this into a generational thing.
- ska 7y ago
  Do you not consider it a "punishment" to lose your family members an avoidable way? How about avoidably dying when you have a car accident because the ICU is overloaded? Do you think people over 60 (or wherever the fatality rate spikes) existed in a self-isolated bubble staying home alone before now? Have you talked to any of them recently? The ones I know are having a rough time of it, at least as much as the younger people I know. If locking down "just the elders" was a workable solution, what do you think it would really look like?
nsm 7y ago
Yes! I think many people don't realize that COVID by itself is not the problem so much as the additional burden it places on the healthcare system, which could be used to help people with other problems. We are already seeing cases of people with cancers having surgeries delayed because hospitals are trying to conserve PPE. I was unlucky enough to fracture my ankle right before California instituted shelter-in-place and to fracture it in a way that needed corrective surgery. I was lucky that CA managed to avoid the worst of it, so that my surgery was able to proceed on schedule. Otherwise I was looking at potential long term complications in addition to being off my feet for 5-6 months instead of the 2 months they expect now.

Young people die also when the health system is overloaded.

by wbl 7y ago

Young people die also when the health system is overloaded.

Still much less than the elders and I am not sure what your comment means. Again, what I am saying is that the lockdown punish purple differently, the most punished are the least affected by the virus itself

sosborn 7y ago
Young people will die not just from the virus, but from inadequate medical care caused by overloaded hospitals. It’s a shit situation for young adults, but sometimes life isn’t fair.
- siscia 7y ago
  Sure, but younger have less need of medical care in general. Moreover, lock down all the elders and the ICU won't be so busy...
  - gnulinux 7y ago
    How do you lock down elders? Do you expect cops to look at people's IDs and check if they're 65+? This is ridiculous, the only practical way is to close places where people are inclined to gather such as bars/restaurants etc.
    - SpicyLemonZest 7y ago
      If we can ban people under 21 from bars we can ban people over 65. I'm not sure we should, but it's not a logistical impossibility.
  - sosborn 7y ago
    > Sure, but younger have less need of medical care in general. True, but that doesn't mean a whole lot of young people wouldn't needlessly die. You seem really committed to turning this into a generational thing.
ska 7y ago
Do you not consider it a "punishment" to lose your family members an avoidable way? How about avoidably dying when you have a car accident because the ICU is overloaded? Do you think people over 60 (or wherever the fatality rate spikes) existed in a self-isolated bubble staying home alone before now? Have you talked to any of them recently? The ones I know are having a rough time of it, at least as much as the younger people I know. If locking down "just the elders" was a workable solution, what do you think it would really look like?

nsm 7y ago

Yes! I think many people don't realize that COVID by itself is not the problem so much as the additional burden it places on the healthcare system, which could be used to help people with other problems. We are already seeing cases of people with cancers having surgeries delayed because hospitals are trying to conserve PPE. I was unlucky enough to fracture my ankle right before California instituted shelter-in-place and to fracture it in a way that needed corrective surgery. I was lucky that CA managed to avoid the worst of it, so that my surgery was able to proceed on schedule. Otherwise I was looking at potential long term complications in addition to being off my feet for 5-6 months instead of the 2 months they expect now.