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The average Bachelor’s graduates has $38K in debt in graduation, the price of a new car. To get to $100K you usually need to go to graduate school.

foota 7y ago
I'd like to see the distribution curve, I know a number of "normal" (i.e., not terrible irresponsible) people with significantly more.
- non-entity 7y ago
  I imagine people from well off, but not wealthy, families who won't or can't assist in paying for their education come out with more because theres basically no aid available for them.
gravypod 7y ago
My college had a 30k/year tuition. 4 years of that comes out to 120k. Your figure assumes >70% of costs are paid without debt. 30k/year is common now for an undergraduate degree from a state school with dorm.
- deusexepsilon 7y ago
  I was asked to estimate costs of doing a college. What they estimated was that at a given moment, I would spend an average amount of an hour of money on a university's budget. This means I would actually have to budget an average of $60,000 a year to pay for it. That's $60,000 if you count out fees on each member of their state.
  - jshevek 7y ago
    All of the posts by this account are off topic.
- throwawayjava 7y ago
  1. 30k/year is REALLY high for tuition. Most state flagships -- which are some of the best universities in the entire world -- aren't that expensive. UIUC, definitely one of the best CS departments in the world, has tuition that's about half that per year [1]. And that's a top-tier state flagship research university; a bit of an overkill for any but the most ambitious (phd or md or jd or elite co.)-bound students. The regional campuses, which do an excellent job at preparing you for typical entry level industry gigs in most fields, have tuition closer to $10k/year [2]. If you want a "normal" life -- decent salary in exchange for a 40 hour work week, in a relatively normal stress environment, and without attending a top-tier graduate program -- don't go to a top-tier state flagship. 2. Most private universities do have sticker prices in that range, but a) why go non-elite private (e.g., mid-low tier liberal arts colleges) since they're usually not even as good as comparable public schools, and b) almost no one actually pays the sticker price at private universities. The average discount factor at private universities is around 50% [3]. 3. It's definitely possible to make >$10K each year while doing university full time. Even very conservative estimates -- state minimum wage and only working summers/weekends with no overtime -- put the number north of $8K [4]. 4. Living at home is often an option (not always, but the percentage of people who can't live at home and also don't qualify for need-based aid has to be pretty small). 5. Four years is an upper bound, not a requirement! College-ready students can and should transfer credits from high school AP, IB, or college credit courses; one of those three options is available in the vast majority of US high schools. Students who are not college-ready should start off at community college, which, again, brings the price down substantially. So, for example, if you: * go to your local branch campus of a state university like SIU-E or UMSL, * live at home, * work a minimum wage job for 40 hours over the summer and on the most weekends during the school year [4], and * come in with sophomore standing OR do you first year at community college then you can graduate with a very modest amount of debt (less than a used car, or possibly none at all). Cutting any one of those assumptions still keeps you well below $100K and possibly much lower than even $30K. Plus, some of those assumptions are conservative. E.g., for most of that time you should be able to make substantially more than minimum wage by taking internships, tutoring ($20/hr+ is typically a "low" rate), etc. Scholarships and fellowships are typically available as well. College is far too expensive in the USA, but you really have to be a huge outlier to graduate from undergrad with $100K in debt. And it's still possible in many parts of the country to graduate with "used car" worth of debt or even no debt at all. Part of our "college affordability" problem is real, but part of the problem is a "buying luxury goods with a credit card" problem. Attending one of the best universities in the world and living in their dorms and staying for four full years and not working full time over the summers + weekends during the school year... that's the most expensive option possible. There are plenty of much less expensive options for most college students in the US. [1] https://admissions.illinois.edu/invest/tuition https://admissions.illinois.edu/invest/tuition [2] https://www.siue.edu/paying-for-college/tuition-and-fees/undergraduate/ https://www.siue.edu/paying-for-college/tuition-and-fees/und... [3] https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/04/30/nacubo-report-finds-tuition-discounting-again https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/04/30/nacubo-report... [4] (408.2512) + (168.25(52-12-3)) = $8,844

foota 7y ago

I'd like to see the distribution curve, I know a number of "normal" (i.e., not terrible irresponsible) people with significantly more.

non-entity 7y ago
I imagine people from well off, but not wealthy, families who won't or can't assist in paying for their education come out with more because theres basically no aid available for them.

gravypod 7y ago

My college had a 30k/year tuition. 4 years of that comes out to 120k. Your figure assumes >70% of costs are paid without debt. 30k/year is common now for an undergraduate degree from a state school with dorm.

deusexepsilon 7y ago
I was asked to estimate costs of doing a college. What they estimated was that at a given moment, I would spend an average amount of an hour of money on a university's budget. This means I would actually have to budget an average of $60,000 a year to pay for it. That's $60,000 if you count out fees on each member of their state.
- jshevek 7y ago
  All of the posts by this account are off topic.
throwawayjava 7y ago
1. 30k/year is REALLY high for tuition. Most state flagships -- which are some of the best universities in the entire world -- aren't that expensive. UIUC, definitely one of the best CS departments in the world, has tuition that's about half that per year [1]. And that's a top-tier state flagship research university; a bit of an overkill for any but the most ambitious (phd or md or jd or elite co.)-bound students. The regional campuses, which do an excellent job at preparing you for typical entry level industry gigs in most fields, have tuition closer to $10k/year [2]. If you want a "normal" life -- decent salary in exchange for a 40 hour work week, in a relatively normal stress environment, and without attending a top-tier graduate program -- don't go to a top-tier state flagship. 2. Most private universities do have sticker prices in that range, but a) why go non-elite private (e.g., mid-low tier liberal arts colleges) since they're usually not even as good as comparable public schools, and b) almost no one actually pays the sticker price at private universities. The average discount factor at private universities is around 50% [3]. 3. It's definitely possible to make >$10K each year while doing university full time. Even very conservative estimates -- state minimum wage and only working summers/weekends with no overtime -- put the number north of $8K [4]. 4. Living at home is often an option (not always, but the percentage of people who can't live at home and also don't qualify for need-based aid has to be pretty small). 5. Four years is an upper bound, not a requirement! College-ready students can and should transfer credits from high school AP, IB, or college credit courses; one of those three options is available in the vast majority of US high schools. Students who are not college-ready should start off at community college, which, again, brings the price down substantially. So, for example, if you: * go to your local branch campus of a state university like SIU-E or UMSL, * live at home, * work a minimum wage job for 40 hours over the summer and on the most weekends during the school year [4], and * come in with sophomore standing OR do you first year at community college then you can graduate with a very modest amount of debt (less than a used car, or possibly none at all). Cutting any one of those assumptions still keeps you well below $100K and possibly much lower than even $30K. Plus, some of those assumptions are conservative. E.g., for most of that time you should be able to make substantially more than minimum wage by taking internships, tutoring ($20/hr+ is typically a "low" rate), etc. Scholarships and fellowships are typically available as well. College is far too expensive in the USA, but you really have to be a huge outlier to graduate from undergrad with $100K in debt. And it's still possible in many parts of the country to graduate with "used car" worth of debt or even no debt at all. Part of our "college affordability" problem is real, but part of the problem is a "buying luxury goods with a credit card" problem. Attending one of the best universities in the world and living in their dorms and staying for four full years and not working full time over the summers + weekends during the school year... that's the most expensive option possible. There are plenty of much less expensive options for most college students in the US. [1] https://admissions.illinois.edu/invest/tuition https://admissions.illinois.edu/invest/tuition [2] https://www.siue.edu/paying-for-college/tuition-and-fees/undergraduate/ https://www.siue.edu/paying-for-college/tuition-and-fees/und... [3] https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/04/30/nacubo-report-finds-tuition-discounting-again https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/04/30/nacubo-report... [4] (408.2512) + (168.25(52-12-3)) = $8,844