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> How do you propose to take away everyone's possessions and give them to the state without full blown authoritarianism? Property is supported by the state. Pr

> How do you propose to take away everyone's possessions and give them to the state without full blown authoritarianism? Property is supported by the state. Property rights are meaningless if they aren't recognized and enforced legally. Like I said, "communism" is very broad. A central theme in communist ideology is that workers own the means of productions. That can have many forms, but does not necessarily lead to a centralized state, like the Soviet one. EDIT: I find that the bs jobs are a symptom of centralized/privatized means of productions. Which is why I made the "pretend to work" comment. Corp style jobs resemble soviet style labor. Bureaucracies come in many forms. Some look like the USSR, some look like middle management.

SkyBelow 7y ago
>Property rights are meaningless if they aren't recognized and enforced legally. They can be enforced illegally as well. Now that can be viewed as a shadow state and a shadow legal system operating within the primary one, but under such a view we would find that the state exists as soon as any two humans work together and as a consequence the common meanings of words become suspect. I think a better way of looking at it is that property is supported by violence. Civilized society we give rights to that violence to society to deal with those who don't behave because in general it is more efficient for all of us, but if that society betrays our expectations we will resort to violence against even that society itself. It also isn't just property rights. All basic concepts, including up to the right to life, follow the same pattern. Thus a society that can destroy property rights is free and capable to destroy rights to life or bodily integrity.