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Are you suggesting that China isn't responsible for repeated, massive state-sponsored hacks? That they aren't actively committing industrial espionage primaril
by tw04 7y ago
Are you suggesting that China isn't responsible for repeated, massive state-sponsored hacks? That they aren't actively committing industrial espionage primarily through said state-sponsored hacking?
If you're not saying that, then why are you pretending the fact that Zoom is sending keys THROUGH CHINA and developing the product IN CHINA is not a big deal?
- x0x0 7y agoIt's the industrial espionage angle that is probably more concerning. The Chinese government certainly can get attendee lists and keys for Zoom meetings; want to listen to meetings the cxx folks are in? Or worse, steal prospects for domestic companies? I'd be pretty enthused about getting the list of people my competitors are doing sales calls with.
- izacus 7y ago> Are you suggesting that China isn't responsible for repeated, massive state-sponsored hacks? That they aren't actively committing industrial espionage primarily through said state-sponsored hacking? Nope, not at all. They're guilty of all of it and probably more. > If you're not saying that, then why are you pretending the fact that Zoom is sending keys THROUGH CHINA and developing the product IN CHINA is not a big deal? Because for me, as an European, it doesn't really make much difference does it? Both countries are currently led by lying dishonest governments which are spying on anything and everything that moves. If anything, it disappoints me that Americans are wasting so much time complaining about China while the worst parts of the Chinese regime are growing and thriving on their own backyard and affecting their own wellbeing.
- remarkEon 7y agoWhy do you think it doesn't make a difference? At a minimum, one country shares a mutual defense pact with most of Europe. The other doesn't (to say the least).
- 1MoreThing 7y agoThe mutual defense pact our president has repeatedly tried to weaken and or remove the US from? Yeah, that's going swimmingly.
- izacus 7y agoAfter agressive sanctions from US government for EU, the targeted EU travel ban and current presidents rhetoric, I have zero trust in any kind of mutual defense or military assistance coming from US in the time of crisis. Remember, people of Italy are currently being helped by Chinese doctors while US president ignores and belittles the problem. The talks between France and Germany about creating an independent defense pact also reflect the complete lack of trust into what NATO has become. So much was lost in so few years. And that also ignores all the nasty surveillance stuff they've been doing these last few years - where the Five Eyes pact was used to surveil our own citizens by our own government by piping data through US. If there's one thing I'm sure of is that China won't share their spying data with my own government ;P
- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y ago> If there's one thing I'm sure of is that China won't share their spying data with my own government. They'll just share it with their allies; Chinese-state hackers, Russia, Iran, and North Korea so you'll have blackhats after you instead of your government. Out of the frying pan into the fire.
- remarkEon 7y agoI think I'd be the first to admit that NATO has probably outlived it's useful life as a Cold War construction, but there's still a lot of history there. None of that exists with China, and China seems to be using the crisis in Europe as a means to exert its influence abroad (hello 5G rollout). Does Europe really want to trade that history for a new relationship with a country like China where the structure of that relationship is yet unknown? Perhaps it's better to actually ask some hard hitting questions about fairness between US-EU trade relations (and admittedly since I am an American, it seems a bit unfair that the EU gets to essentially freeload on US defense in the western hemisphere and we get some stiff tariffs in return). So it seems perfectly reasonable, and probably a good thing, that France and Germany are creating an independent defense pact. >If there's one thing I'm sure of is that China won't share their spying data with my own government ;P And? Consider for a moment that sharing of this data between defense partners actually provides a useful signal of mutual capabilities and for what's being collected.
- tuco86 7y agocan't reply to remarkEon directly, so here it goes. America bugged the phone of our chancellor (germany). Trust is at an all time low. nuf said.