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I like Svelte very much. My biggest struggle is with tooling, especially the lack of proper IDE support. I know there are several IDEs with plugins for Svelte,

I like Svelte very much. My biggest struggle is with tooling, especially the lack of proper IDE support. I know there are several IDEs with plugins for Svelte, but they're either obsolete or lacking essential features. That's why I won't use it for me next project, just not worth it going against the wind. Now, I am looking at Flutter. Seems to match my needs, and it's also actively maintained. Never underestimate the power of proper tooling and abundance of documentation, better be productive rather than cool.

jeremyjh 7y ago
Flutter web support is in beta. I've never heard of anyone using it. Don't you think you are swimming upstream there too?
- satvikpendem 7y ago
  For applications it's actually quite good, if you use the WASM renderer instead of the DOM based one. I say for applications and not websites as this method will not have any SEO since it renders onto a canvas element. It does have accessibility as Flutter constructs a separate semantic tree on top that accessibility devices can read. So Flutter Web is pretty nice if you're not making a forum for example but moreso any type of CRUD or business app where text is not a big factor. Of course, since it's Flutter you can then build mobile and desktop apps as well from your application for those who want more control.
seeekr 7y ago
Svelte support in the Jetbrains family of tools is great (IDEA, Webstorm etc). There are a few issues, but they're all minor. Started using Svelte for serious work a few months ago, very happy with it, best frontend framework I've worked with thus far.
- michaelcampbell 7y ago
  I'm just starting to play with Svelte, but have very little JS background. Which flavor of the jetbrains tools are you actually using; webstorm or IDEA? I have the all-tools sub, so could use either but is one better than the other?
  - seeekr 7y ago
    Webstorm. I use the different tools mostly to naturally categorize all the different kinds of projects that I work on, even though I think IDEA brings (most of?) the relevant features from the other IDEs.
hinkley 7y ago
I felt like there was a sort of sea change when JetBrains started producing multiple IDEs. IDEA always struggled to handle supporting everything at once and third party plugins are always incomplete. They don’t support all of the functionality and you have to keep that active in your mind while developing, which saps resources for solving hard problems. I just wish they could support more languages and tool chains, and I wish an IDEA subscription entitled you to all other versions of the editor. I want to buy one but use Webstorm because it’s a little less resource intensive than IDEA. And I want them to make like five more IDEs, which I feel they could fund through IDEA-specific revenue.
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- Stratoscope 7y ago
  > I wish an IDEA subscription entitled you to all other versions of the editor. They do offer that; it's called the All Tools subscription. It costs more than the IntelliJ subscription, but you get all the IDEs, ReSharper, etc.

jeremyjh 7y ago

Flutter web support is in beta. I've never heard of anyone using it. Don't you think you are swimming upstream there too?

satvikpendem 7y ago
For applications it's actually quite good, if you use the WASM renderer instead of the DOM based one. I say for applications and not websites as this method will not have any SEO since it renders onto a canvas element. It does have accessibility as Flutter constructs a separate semantic tree on top that accessibility devices can read. So Flutter Web is pretty nice if you're not making a forum for example but moreso any type of CRUD or business app where text is not a big factor. Of course, since it's Flutter you can then build mobile and desktop apps as well from your application for those who want more control.

seeekr 7y ago

Svelte support in the Jetbrains family of tools is great (IDEA, Webstorm etc). There are a few issues, but they're all minor. Started using Svelte for serious work a few months ago, very happy with it, best frontend framework I've worked with thus far.

michaelcampbell 7y ago
I'm just starting to play with Svelte, but have very little JS background. Which flavor of the jetbrains tools are you actually using; webstorm or IDEA? I have the all-tools sub, so could use either but is one better than the other?
- seeekr 7y ago
  Webstorm. I use the different tools mostly to naturally categorize all the different kinds of projects that I work on, even though I think IDEA brings (most of?) the relevant features from the other IDEs.

hinkley 7y ago

I felt like there was a sort of sea change when JetBrains started producing multiple IDEs. IDEA always struggled to handle supporting everything at once and third party plugins are always incomplete. They don’t support all of the functionality and you have to keep that active in your mind while developing, which saps resources for solving hard problems. I just wish they could support more languages and tool chains, and I wish an IDEA subscription entitled you to all other versions of the editor. I want to buy one but use Webstorm because it’s a little less resource intensive than IDEA. And I want them to make like five more IDEs, which I feel they could fund through IDEA-specific revenue.

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Stratoscope 7y ago
> I wish an IDEA subscription entitled you to all other versions of the editor. They do offer that; it's called the All Tools subscription. It costs more than the IntelliJ subscription, but you get all the IDEs, ReSharper, etc.