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A secretive group trying to bring down North Korea’s regime
- jshevek 7y agoHow is this paywall bypassed? I've tried disabling scripts, reader view, and archive.org. https://web.archive.org/web/20200403225044/https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-covert-group-threatening-to-bring-down-north-korea-11585923813 https://web.archive.org/web/20200403225044/https://www.wsj.c... Edit: From the FAQ for HN: >Are paywalls ok? It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds. In comments, it's ok to ask how to read an article and to help other users do so.
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- jshevek 7y agoRegarding paying for WSJ, I think it would be better (between those two choices) for it to not be submitted. Articles which require payment are not accessible to the whole HN community. Edit: Also, thank you for the working link.
- dang 7y agoWe've changed to that URL from https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-covert-group-threatening-to-bring-down-north-korea-11585923813 https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-the-covert-group-threate.... Thanks!
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- PowerfulWizard 7y agohttp://archive.is/if0Lx http://archive.is/if0Lx This site works sometimes.
- catalogia 7y ago> I've tried disabling scripts, I have javascript disabled and see no paywall.
- jshevek 7y agoSomeone provided a better link. The link was changed after my comment, and before yours. Edit: All other discussion occurred after this point. It's possible the paywall prevented discussion.
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- Mountain_Skies 7y agoHope this goes better than the when there were unintended consequences from the UK and the US overthrowing the government of Iran. Seems like every time outsiders decide to topple some regime, something worse pops up in its place. That might be hard to imagine with how terrible North Korea currently is, but there are ways for it to be even worse.
- maallooc 7y agoThe case of North Korea will be very different from (insert middle east/central american country here). It's surrounded with robust countries like China, South Korea and Japan. There are so many interests that it's impossible for a simple militia or a government of their own to hold a grasp. They will go down and they will be absorbed by their neighbors. At least for now.
- oneVoiceOnHN 7y agoOr become the front of the US China cold war...
- zapttt 7y agoso after aplitting korea into north and south (as they are know all around the world), the US will again split north korea into west/east. will it be east korea? or north east korea?
- phkahler 7y agoI figured it already is. China could make N Korea stop their shenanigans any time, but they don't. I figure they like having them there most the time stiring things up. And if they wanted to actually start trouble having them start it would provide a layer of deniability.
- magicsmoke 7y agoNK's nukes are just as much pointed at China as they are pointed at the US/SK. If China decides to choke off their oil NK will be sure to remind China that if their regime falls, they'll be sure to lob some missiles in China's direction first. Thinking of NK is purely a Chinese puppet instead of an independent actor with their own wants and freedom of action really limits the geopolitical cards the US could play here. Imagine if the US could flip NK like how Nixon flipped China against the USSR.
- maallooc 7y agoHow's Christopher Ahn's extradition trial going? Haven't seen any updates since the bail.
- jamestimmins 7y agoWorth appreciating that the author casually referred to their Italian operation as "the Italian job".
- chadmeister 7y agoThis sounds like propaganda looking to provoke NK leadership. No super secret coup is having articles posted on msn about them...or you know they'd all be dead...
- api 7y agoReminds me of a joke about conspiracy theories: "How do you know if a conspiracy theorist is right?" "They haven't found the body."
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- blago 7y agoSounds like a front for some (US or foreign) alphabet soup agency.
- andreig2191 7y ago"They acted with military efficiency, according to testimony from the seven embassy staff members inside. Brandishing fake guns, they bound the wrists of the North Koreans and placed bags over their heads." Is there such a thing as reckless treason? Also, this would be a wonderful movie!
- secfirstmd 7y agoOne of the problem for groups working on NK issues is that SK heavily penetrates them at the human and technical level in order to control and mostly disrupt their operations. It goes in swings and roundabouts but SK is at best ambivalent about these sort of operations. Especially as government policy changes. It makes working on NK operations like this quite tricky.
- Gunax 7y agoThey wanted to play spy. Hearts are in the right place, but I advise them to leave the ops to the professionals.