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In comparison to Zoom and Jitsi: Jami’s major advantages are that it’s end-to-end encrypted and completely peer-to-peer, requiring no server in-between. The m

In comparison to Zoom and Jitsi: Jami’s major advantages are that it’s end-to-end encrypted and completely peer-to-peer, requiring no server in-between. The major disadvantage is that it doesn’t support calls from the browser. See also: https://jami.net https://jami.net

Freak_NL 7y ago
Not running in the browser is a major downside. I've used Jitsi this past week with technologically illiterate family members, and being able to just have them enter a URL while talking on the phone is really great. Also, being able to just use any OS with a modern browser you please.
- smcleod 7y ago
  Personally I don’t want to have my web browser run applications, I’d rather have native MacOS or Linux apps, but I do see how having at least a version of it available in a browse is handy for potability.
  - Freak_NL 7y ago
    Don't get me wrong: I want both to be possible, but being able to just get up and go is really helpful. For a tool like this though I'm not sure what a native app would add. Most of what it does builds on the functionality of a modern web browser.
    - wagaf 7y ago
      Modern Web browser don't allow true peer-to-peer, you always need a server. Jami uses a fully distributed network (DHT) to initiate connections.
      - dependenttypes 7y ago
        Webtorrent is a thing though. Is it not true peer-to-peer?
        yellowsir 7y ago
        webtorrent builds on webrtc, which requires stun and ice servers. so you still send metadata to defined servers for connection handeling and most sadly you can't p2p in an offline LAN.
        dependenttypes 7y ago
        > so you still send metadata to defined servers for connection handeling This is also true for typical p2p protocols though, isn't it? Normal torrent clients for example have hardcoded servers to start their dht search from.
        PersonalOps 7y ago
        Not necessarily. It does follow that if you submit to a tracker, but there's the DHT option which is advertised locally [0]. The way it seems to do it is the magnet uri includes the contents of a few IPs that might have, at minimum, a more up-to-date DHT with more IPs. At best it also includes some chunks of whatever you're trying to download. [0]: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1332107/how-does-dht-in-torrents-work#1746896 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1332107/how-does-dht-in-...
        dependenttypes 7y ago
        https://superuser.com/questions/592238/ https://superuser.com/questions/592238/ does not seem to agree with that statement.
    - wagaf 7y ago
      Something interesting is that Jami seems to be the only video conferencing app available on Android TV, very useful.
app4soft 7y ago
> doesn’t support calls from the browser This is a feature, not a bug.
- wink 7y ago
  Still not an "alternative" for some people when browser-based might be the main feature. It's complicated.

Freak_NL 7y ago

Not running in the browser is a major downside. I've used Jitsi this past week with technologically illiterate family members, and being able to just have them enter a URL while talking on the phone is really great. Also, being able to just use any OS with a modern browser you please.

smcleod 7y ago
Personally I don’t want to have my web browser run applications, I’d rather have native MacOS or Linux apps, but I do see how having at least a version of it available in a browse is handy for potability.
- Freak_NL 7y ago
  Don't get me wrong: I want both to be possible, but being able to just get up and go is really helpful. For a tool like this though I'm not sure what a native app would add. Most of what it does builds on the functionality of a modern web browser.
  - wagaf 7y ago
    Modern Web browser don't allow true peer-to-peer, you always need a server. Jami uses a fully distributed network (DHT) to initiate connections.
    - dependenttypes 7y ago
      Webtorrent is a thing though. Is it not true peer-to-peer?
      - yellowsir 7y ago
        webtorrent builds on webrtc, which requires stun and ice servers. so you still send metadata to defined servers for connection handeling and most sadly you can't p2p in an offline LAN.
        dependenttypes 7y ago
        > so you still send metadata to defined servers for connection handeling This is also true for typical p2p protocols though, isn't it? Normal torrent clients for example have hardcoded servers to start their dht search from.
        PersonalOps 7y ago
        Not necessarily. It does follow that if you submit to a tracker, but there's the DHT option which is advertised locally [0]. The way it seems to do it is the magnet uri includes the contents of a few IPs that might have, at minimum, a more up-to-date DHT with more IPs. At best it also includes some chunks of whatever you're trying to download. [0]: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1332107/how-does-dht-in-torrents-work#1746896 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1332107/how-does-dht-in-...
        dependenttypes 7y ago
        https://superuser.com/questions/592238/ https://superuser.com/questions/592238/ does not seem to agree with that statement.
  - wagaf 7y ago
    Something interesting is that Jami seems to be the only video conferencing app available on Android TV, very useful.

app4soft 7y ago

> doesn’t support calls from the browser This is a feature, not a bug.

wink 7y ago
Still not an "alternative" for some people when browser-based might be the main feature. It's complicated.