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I've seen about 10 different articles against Zoom during the past 3 days. I really don't enjoy using Zoom, but the volume and frequency of criticism is odd. Ha

I've seen about 10 different articles against Zoom during the past 3 days. I really don't enjoy using Zoom, but the volume and frequency of criticism is odd. Has anyone figured out where it's coming from?

sarakayakomzin 7y ago
more people are having to use zoom or other teleconferencing software than at any point in history...should we expect otherwise?
Hemospectrum 7y ago
Zoom usage has skyrocketed in the past few weeks among quarantined users. Plenty of them are sick of hearing about the virus itself. Covering Zoom is a way for news outlets to reach that audience. As it happens, there are plenty of bad things to say about Zoom, which has hit headlines multiple times in the past year for security problems and various other dick moves.
vikramkr 7y ago
The societal importance of zoom has massively increased as it has suddenly become a fundamental part of the modern economy over the past month or so. This means it undergoes more scrutiny.
im3w1l 7y ago
A lot of people have being told by their employer to use zoom recently. Stands to reason some of them wont like it.
jjtheblunt 7y ago
The macOS version of Zoom installs or installed an unannounced web server on macOS that runs even when Zoom isn't running, and could perform remotely controlled actions on the macOS host.
- samatman 7y ago
  This, in a nutshell. I'm a simple man. When my OS vendor has to push an update to remove a misbehaving program from my computer, I consider it malware, and will never install it again.
- tomnipotent 7y ago
  Not to mention it wasn't uninstalled when you removed Zoom, so that they could sneakily re-install it if you ever clicked on a Zoom invite link. Fortunately OS X released an update to make this impossible for Zoom and anyone else.
freepor 7y ago
The press always goes after the top dog. The articles about factory worker conditions are always about Apple, not Acer, even though Acer's are almost surely worse (due to no press scrutiny). Zoom is the top dog in videoconferencing right now, and videoconferencing has grown by a factor of ~1 million in importance over the last three weeks.
- zentiggr 7y ago
  Zoom has also pulled a lot of shady crap under the hood, so regardless of their 'top dog' status, they are getting called to the carpet to explain and remedy their bs. Articles about factory worker conditions these days are about Amazon...
- catalogia 7y ago
  Why should the press waste their time kicking underdogs when the top dog deserves to get kicked?
Traster 7y ago
Zoom has gone from being a boring piece of enterprise software to being central in lots of engineers lives and unfortunately they were in the "grow quickly and apologise later" section of their development cycle when they suddenly were big and were apologizing. They prioritzed ease of use on the engineering side, and corporate sales on the business side. They never planned ot be mission critical, but don't think for a second that ever stopped any of their sales team. The backlash is well deserved, entirely inevitable, and incredibly unlikely to make any difference.
- notJim 7y ago
  > They never planned ot be mission critical How do you figure? Wouldn't any enterprise-focused video conferencing software be considered mission critical?
  - tylerhou 7y ago
    Before COVID most non-remote companies could still function if their VC was broken; now it's impossible without VC.
    - dzhiurgis 7y ago
      Is video really that important? Sure it has benefit of being a bit more cozy, but in reality phone is sufficient to discuss work. Screenshare is much more important, especially for knowledge workers.
      - danans 7y ago
        Absolutely. A lot of real work involves face to face talking, not looking at a shared screen or document.
      - Kalium 7y ago
        With the exception of the involvement of a webcam, you can't do screenshare without being able to do video. Even if we assume video is irrelevant and screenshare is everything, you wind up in the same technological position. Videoconferencing is used for a lot of things that don't involve reviewing a document or pair-programming. Many people find video quite helpful for such situations.
sneak 7y ago
With more widespread use, it is becoming obvious to more people that they are shady liars. https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/03/31/zoom-e2e https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/03/31/zoom-e2e
gjs278 7y ago
neckbeards. you can find plenty of them in this thread.
harry8 7y ago
Your other comment describing this as a hit piece is dead. So this is second attempt to discredit those making a solid argument with evidence. Again you take zero issue with all the points raised and just try to add noise and muddy things. So, why? Anything you'd like to disclose? dang ?
- harry8 7y ago
  Nondisclosure of interests is a persistent problem here. We can bury our heads or ask.
- leshokunin 7y ago
  I'm a different person, no sure why you're attacking me here.
  - harry8 7y ago
    Questioning. And apparently incorrectly. My apologies.
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GolDDranks 7y ago
Well, for one datapoint, I had never heard about Zoom before, but had to use it for the first time a week ago. I was appalled of the macOS installer, that behaved like a malware. (No user consent taken before installing, plus why even have an installer where an .app would suffice) This experience was negative enough, that I have been retweeting some articles about Zoom. It seems that the installer isn't the only problem.
ccktlmazeltov 7y ago
short sellers, stock is overvalued at the moment.
dang 7y ago
It's easy enough to explain as a spinoff topic of the covid crisis. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22751116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22751116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22754135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22754135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22754818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22754818

sarakayakomzin 7y ago

more people are having to use zoom or other teleconferencing software than at any point in history...should we expect otherwise?

Hemospectrum 7y ago

Zoom usage has skyrocketed in the past few weeks among quarantined users. Plenty of them are sick of hearing about the virus itself. Covering Zoom is a way for news outlets to reach that audience. As it happens, there are plenty of bad things to say about Zoom, which has hit headlines multiple times in the past year for security problems and various other dick moves.

vikramkr 7y ago

The societal importance of zoom has massively increased as it has suddenly become a fundamental part of the modern economy over the past month or so. This means it undergoes more scrutiny.

im3w1l 7y ago

A lot of people have being told by their employer to use zoom recently. Stands to reason some of them wont like it.

jjtheblunt 7y ago

The macOS version of Zoom installs or installed an unannounced web server on macOS that runs even when Zoom isn't running, and could perform remotely controlled actions on the macOS host.

samatman 7y ago
This, in a nutshell. I'm a simple man. When my OS vendor has to push an update to remove a misbehaving program from my computer, I consider it malware, and will never install it again.
tomnipotent 7y ago
Not to mention it wasn't uninstalled when you removed Zoom, so that they could sneakily re-install it if you ever clicked on a Zoom invite link. Fortunately OS X released an update to make this impossible for Zoom and anyone else.

freepor 7y ago

The press always goes after the top dog. The articles about factory worker conditions are always about Apple, not Acer, even though Acer's are almost surely worse (due to no press scrutiny). Zoom is the top dog in videoconferencing right now, and videoconferencing has grown by a factor of ~1 million in importance over the last three weeks.

zentiggr 7y ago
Zoom has also pulled a lot of shady crap under the hood, so regardless of their 'top dog' status, they are getting called to the carpet to explain and remedy their bs. Articles about factory worker conditions these days are about Amazon...
catalogia 7y ago
Why should the press waste their time kicking underdogs when the top dog deserves to get kicked?

Traster 7y ago

Zoom has gone from being a boring piece of enterprise software to being central in lots of engineers lives and unfortunately they were in the "grow quickly and apologise later" section of their development cycle when they suddenly were big and were apologizing. They prioritzed ease of use on the engineering side, and corporate sales on the business side. They never planned ot be mission critical, but don't think for a second that ever stopped any of their sales team. The backlash is well deserved, entirely inevitable, and incredibly unlikely to make any difference.

notJim 7y ago
> They never planned ot be mission critical How do you figure? Wouldn't any enterprise-focused video conferencing software be considered mission critical?
- tylerhou 7y ago
  Before COVID most non-remote companies could still function if their VC was broken; now it's impossible without VC.
  - dzhiurgis 7y ago
    Is video really that important? Sure it has benefit of being a bit more cozy, but in reality phone is sufficient to discuss work. Screenshare is much more important, especially for knowledge workers.
    - danans 7y ago
      Absolutely. A lot of real work involves face to face talking, not looking at a shared screen or document.
    - Kalium 7y ago
      With the exception of the involvement of a webcam, you can't do screenshare without being able to do video. Even if we assume video is irrelevant and screenshare is everything, you wind up in the same technological position. Videoconferencing is used for a lot of things that don't involve reviewing a document or pair-programming. Many people find video quite helpful for such situations.

sneak 7y ago

With more widespread use, it is becoming obvious to more people that they are shady liars. https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/03/31/zoom-e2e https://daringfireball.net/linked/2020/03/31/zoom-e2e

gjs278 7y ago

neckbeards. you can find plenty of them in this thread.

harry8 7y ago

Your other comment describing this as a hit piece is dead. So this is second attempt to discredit those making a solid argument with evidence. Again you take zero issue with all the points raised and just try to add noise and muddy things. So, why? Anything you'd like to disclose? dang ?

harry8 7y ago
Nondisclosure of interests is a persistent problem here. We can bury our heads or ask.
leshokunin 7y ago
I'm a different person, no sure why you're attacking me here.
- harry8 7y ago
  Questioning. And apparently incorrectly. My apologies.

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GolDDranks 7y ago

Well, for one datapoint, I had never heard about Zoom before, but had to use it for the first time a week ago. I was appalled of the macOS installer, that behaved like a malware. (No user consent taken before installing, plus why even have an installer where an .app would suffice) This experience was negative enough, that I have been retweeting some articles about Zoom. It seems that the installer isn't the only problem.

ccktlmazeltov 7y ago

short sellers, stock is overvalued at the moment.

dang 7y ago

It's easy enough to explain as a spinoff topic of the covid crisis. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22751116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22751116 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22754135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22754135 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22754818 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22754818