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"Conceal" implies intent--while I do not believe the Chinese numbers I do not think it's malicious, but rather an overwhelmed system. We are seeing the same th

"Conceal" implies intent--while I do not believe the Chinese numbers I do not think it's malicious, but rather an overwhelmed system. We are seeing the same thing everywhere the system is getting hit hard enough--patients are dying without ever being tested, and they're only testing the people at the hospital, thus missing most all the mild cases. The only places I would trust the numbers are South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Israel.

notechback 7y ago
China is literally claiming zero new infections while reports from the affected regions tell a very different story. How is that not an obvious effort to conceal the issue?
- yfzhou 7y ago
  What reports? China reported 36 new cases yesterday, all but one are people returning from overseas caught under quarantine, and whenever there is sporadic local transmission, they tighten control in that area obviously while the country at large has returned to work. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3078010/chinese-county-goes-coronavirus-lockdown-country-tries-get-back https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3078010/chin...
Supermancho 7y ago
> while I do not believe the Chinese numbers I do not think it's malicious Give the reports of outright abuse of power (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/chinese-inquiry-exonerates-coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-li-wenliang https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/chinese-inquir...) or corruption, depending on your perspective, I'm not sure why you would say it wasn't malicious. It's been about saving face, if recovery was possible. If not, shrug What are you going to do about it anyway? Trusting anything from official Chinese reports, is foolish. You always need some sort of 3rd party corroboration to get to the truth and the WHO has shown bias (subject to Chinese influence, for their own pragmatic reasons of access). That being said, their model, wherein they locked down populations was effective and appropriate. Combined with testing and some sort of ID-based tagging, the US could probably manage better than the current course, which will just blow up later anyway.
gentleman11 7y ago
The Chinese state is the scariest censorship machine in human history. Specifically, in this situation, Doctors were detained and punished for speaking out about this early on, including one that later died of Covid

notechback 7y ago

China is literally claiming zero new infections while reports from the affected regions tell a very different story. How is that not an obvious effort to conceal the issue?

yfzhou 7y ago
What reports? China reported 36 new cases yesterday, all but one are people returning from overseas caught under quarantine, and whenever there is sporadic local transmission, they tighten control in that area obviously while the country at large has returned to work. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3078010/chinese-county-goes-coronavirus-lockdown-country-tries-get-back https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3078010/chin...

Supermancho 7y ago

> while I do not believe the Chinese numbers I do not think it's malicious Give the reports of outright abuse of power (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/chinese-inquiry-exonerates-coronavirus-whistleblower-doctor-li-wenliang https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/20/chinese-inquir...) or corruption, depending on your perspective, I'm not sure why you would say it wasn't malicious. It's been about saving face, if recovery was possible. If not, shrug What are you going to do about it anyway? Trusting anything from official Chinese reports, is foolish. You always need some sort of 3rd party corroboration to get to the truth and the WHO has shown bias (subject to Chinese influence, for their own pragmatic reasons of access). That being said, their model, wherein they locked down populations was effective and appropriate. Combined with testing and some sort of ID-based tagging, the US could probably manage better than the current course, which will just blow up later anyway.

gentleman11 7y ago

The Chinese state is the scariest censorship machine in human history. Specifically, in this situation, Doctors were detained and punished for speaking out about this early on, including one that later died of Covid