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They can't. Not now at least. For better or worse, people all over are using Zoom to stay in contact. If Apple banned it, it would be extremely difficult for th

They can't. Not now at least. For better or worse, people all over are using Zoom to stay in contact. If Apple banned it, it would be extremely difficult for them to not take a PR hit right now.

ratww 7y ago
Instead of banning, Apple should be working together with them to understand why they're resorting to such ugly hacks just to improve the installation UX, and use that feedback to improve macOS instead.
- Longhanks 7y ago
  The installation UX needs not be improved. It needs the holes Zoom abused fixed, so that it can no longer circumvent asking for the user's final consent. There is absolutely no reason Zoom should get away with intentionally abusing the platform they're given.
  - jcelerier 7y ago
    > It needs the holes Zoom abused fixed, so that it can no longer circumvent asking for the user's final consent. but... installing zoom is already asking for my consent, through an OS prompt. Do you want to have to type your user password two times for every app you install or what ?
    - randoglando 7y ago
      It could prevent an app from posing as "System" in the prompt for starters.
  - ratww 7y ago
    It needs both.
aledthemathguy 7y ago
1. Built an app that violates every security concern. 2. Gain massive traction because of its easy-of-use ("it just works"). 3. Become ubiquitous. 4. Fix the security bugs. 5. You won.
- e12e 7y ago
  I'm afraid step 4 is optional.
dr-detroit 7y ago
it raises a more important question of what are we going to do with people. seriously. they should be banned from the apple store not Zoom. Just because something has features of snapchat/instagram filters (see: zooms silly background) everyone "needs" it? give me a break. theres 100 better products but they dont have silly backgrounds out of the box. I also have to assume based on the utilization numbers presented people are using this for dating/cybersex? because normies arent that busy working in general.

They can't. Not now at least. For better or worse, people all over are using Zoom to stay in contact. If Apple banned it, it would be extremely difficult for them to not take a PR hit right now.

ratww 7y ago

Instead of banning, Apple should be working together with them to understand why they're resorting to such ugly hacks just to improve the installation UX, and use that feedback to improve macOS instead.

Longhanks 7y ago
The installation UX needs not be improved. It needs the holes Zoom abused fixed, so that it can no longer circumvent asking for the user's final consent. There is absolutely no reason Zoom should get away with intentionally abusing the platform they're given.
- jcelerier 7y ago
  > It needs the holes Zoom abused fixed, so that it can no longer circumvent asking for the user's final consent. but... installing zoom is already asking for my consent, through an OS prompt. Do you want to have to type your user password two times for every app you install or what ?
  - randoglando 7y ago
    It could prevent an app from posing as "System" in the prompt for starters.
- ratww 7y ago
  It needs both.

aledthemathguy 7y ago

1. Built an app that violates every security concern. 2. Gain massive traction because of its easy-of-use ("it just works"). 3. Become ubiquitous. 4. Fix the security bugs. 5. You won.

e12e 7y ago
I'm afraid step 4 is optional.

dr-detroit 7y ago

it raises a more important question of what are we going to do with people. seriously. they should be banned from the apple store not Zoom. Just because something has features of snapchat/instagram filters (see: zooms silly background) everyone "needs" it? give me a break. theres 100 better products but they dont have silly backgrounds out of the box. I also have to assume based on the utilization numbers presented people are using this for dating/cybersex? because normies arent that busy working in general.