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Possibility of Disinfection of SARS-CoV-2 (Covid-19) in Human Respiratory Tract

50 points by LinuxBender 7y ago

jeffrallen 7y ago
Bravo for serious science, especially when it could easily be mistaken for a Onion piece where the gag is that even if you don't kill the virus, you'll get drunk trying.
- hcknwscommenter 7y ago
  I mean stranger things have happened, but it seems highly unlike this could be effective.
  - woadwarrior01 7y ago
    There’s a traditional Romanian cold remedy which involves inhaling vapours of hot liquor (Țuică fiarta) before drinking it.
netsharc 7y ago
I wonder if this will get to Mitch McConnell, he'd be promoting the hell out of it (Three of his top five individual donors have ties to the Kentucky-based maker of Jack Daniel’s whiskey).
- grayed-down 7y ago
  JD is distilled in TN, but there are other fine KY bourbons that will do just fine. And Cocaine Mitch better promote his states distilleries along with all the other fine business located down there in KY.
rurban 7y ago
April 1st, well done
paultz 7y ago
| wonder if diethyl ether would work similarly - its a shorter acting chemical
grayed-down 7y ago
It's not 4/1 where I'm sitting, and this paper looks somewhat legit on first skim. Anyway, here's a story: My college roommate was a force of nature. So one weekend night I'm feeling a big cold coming on and I want to stay in and rest. He was having none of that, so he goes to the kitchen and gets a spoon and a bottle of vodka and proceeds to snort a spoonful up both nostrils. It was horrifying. Then he gives the spoon to me. I don't know how exactly, but he convinced me to do the same. It wasn't pleasant, but within a few hours and along with a few gin and tonics, there was no runny nose, no sore throat or headache. I've done this several times over the years and when it works, it works well. Am I recommending this? Hell no, don't do it!
- teslabox 7y ago
  > He was having none of that, so he goes to the kitchen and gets a spoon and a bottle of vodka and proceeds to snort a spoonful up both nostrils. It was horrifying. Then he gives the spoon to me. I don't know how exactly, but he convinced me to do the same. Cool story, thanks for sharing. > Am I recommending this? Hell no, don't do it! Alcohol fumes are also useful for treating tuberculosis and pneumonia. I don't recommend the spoon method, it's much gentler to use an evaporation chamber.
findyoucef 7y ago
I can't tell if this is real
- 1_over_n 7y ago
  https://groups.oist.jp/qwmu/tsumoru-shintake https://groups.oist.jp/qwmu/tsumoru-shintake This does indeed appear to be a serious researcher.
maxander 7y ago
> (Submitted on 15 Mar 2020) I feel like if this would work, it would mean one could inhale vaporized alcohol efficiently enough to get drunk on the vapor alone. And if that were a thing people could do, one would certainly expect it to be familiar from some terrible frat culture shenanigans. ...On the other hand, should be simple enough to get a trial together.
- anfilt 7y ago
  I don't see this idea working, but normally alcohol also has sugars in it. Even distilled alcohol has sugars. Inhaling sugar sounds like a great way to cause other problem. If this were to have any success the alcohol would have to be extremely pure. also alcohol would also dry out the airways I bet. As to why its not been tried recreationally before. Lower proof alcohol beverages don't vaporize as easily. So other methods would probably work better. Although there is stuff like everclear.
  - totony 7y ago
    Any source on this? I'd be surprised if sugar would be in the distillate. It might lower the vapor pressure of alcohol itself but it shouldnt vaporize and recondensate
    - anfilt 7y ago
      What do you thinks gives various distilled spirits there various flavours. Otherewise, you would just use the cheapest sugar to ferment. Also oils and tannins can get distilled too with the alcohol. Its why distilling has what they call different cuts. That depend on temperature and where in the distillation you are in. A vodka would have very little while a brandy will include cuts that have traces of things for flavour.
      - totony 7y ago
        This [0] does not suggest that anything but ethanol/water and potentially some other volatile compounds are in the distillate. I'm not familiar with brewing and flavoring distilled spirits, but quite familiar with distillation and doubt that even oil would be in the distillate. [1] suggests that tannins are present in the distillate, but I have not found a tannin that is volatile and [2] names one that isn't in beer Flavor seems to be added after distillation from what i can see (and is potentially influenced by the volatile impurities) [0] https://www.compoundchem.com/2016/06/08/vodka/ https://www.compoundchem.com/2016/06/08/vodka/ [1] https://vinepair.com/spirits-101/how-distilling-works/ https://vinepair.com/spirits-101/how-distilling-works/
villgax 7y ago
Need testing
fithisux 7y ago
April 1st
- 1_over_n 7y ago
  see above, paper was submitted mid-march.
sbrass 7y ago
As already stated by the other commenters, the author had already submitted the paper to arXiv in mid of March. So, I don't think that it falls in anyway under April's fool (and I don't think that in this serious situation any researcher should do a April's fool paper). Back to its contents, the authors describe the potential destructive action of alcohol on SARS-CoV-2 and its possible application in the respiratory tract, thus, nose, nasal cavity and further. He bases his ansatz on a theoretical approach on diffusing the alcohol from a alcoholic vapor in to the respiratory system. However, as theoretical it may sound, I think it could prove usable, if it is done in a controlled way and may deliver a simple approach to help infected people and saving those.
- rurban 7y ago
  The usual approach is to use salt, not alcohol. The virus does indeed not like alcohol based sanitizers, but then all respiratory virus illnesses would be treatable with that, and the common treatment is with saltwater. I just got a small tinnitus, which looks like a cold, and for sure I'll be treating it with salt, not whiskey
anfilt 7y ago
if it was not submitted on the 15th I would probably think this was an April fools joke.
- rurban 7y ago
  The joke via backdating the Cornell site could be a prank by both. Just change 3 dates. Whiskey, Sake, come on. Just the Wodka and Russian coauthor are missing.
pezo1919 7y ago
What about inhaling eucalyptus against SARS-CoV-2 (or influenza)?
Haitischmock 7y ago
Can vape pens be used for this ?
lgats 7y ago
Could this work with a more commonly vaporized alcohol, Ether? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether_addiction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether_addiction

50 points by LinuxBender 7y ago

Bravo for serious science, especially when it could easily be mistaken for a Onion piece where the gag is that even if you don't kill the virus, you'll get drunk trying.

hcknwscommenter 7y ago
I mean stranger things have happened, but it seems highly unlike this could be effective.
- woadwarrior01 7y ago
  There’s a traditional Romanian cold remedy which involves inhaling vapours of hot liquor (Țuică fiarta) before drinking it.

netsharc 7y ago

I wonder if this will get to Mitch McConnell, he'd be promoting the hell out of it (Three of his top five individual donors have ties to the Kentucky-based maker of Jack Daniel’s whiskey).

grayed-down 7y ago
JD is distilled in TN, but there are other fine KY bourbons that will do just fine. And Cocaine Mitch better promote his states distilleries along with all the other fine business located down there in KY.

rurban 7y ago

April 1st, well done

paultz 7y ago

| wonder if diethyl ether would work similarly - its a shorter acting chemical

grayed-down 7y ago

It's not 4/1 where I'm sitting, and this paper looks somewhat legit on first skim. Anyway, here's a story: My college roommate was a force of nature. So one weekend night I'm feeling a big cold coming on and I want to stay in and rest. He was having none of that, so he goes to the kitchen and gets a spoon and a bottle of vodka and proceeds to snort a spoonful up both nostrils. It was horrifying. Then he gives the spoon to me. I don't know how exactly, but he convinced me to do the same. It wasn't pleasant, but within a few hours and along with a few gin and tonics, there was no runny nose, no sore throat or headache. I've done this several times over the years and when it works, it works well. Am I recommending this? Hell no, don't do it!

teslabox 7y ago
> He was having none of that, so he goes to the kitchen and gets a spoon and a bottle of vodka and proceeds to snort a spoonful up both nostrils. It was horrifying. Then he gives the spoon to me. I don't know how exactly, but he convinced me to do the same. Cool story, thanks for sharing. > Am I recommending this? Hell no, don't do it! Alcohol fumes are also useful for treating tuberculosis and pneumonia. I don't recommend the spoon method, it's much gentler to use an evaporation chamber.

findyoucef 7y ago

I can't tell if this is real

1_over_n 7y ago
https://groups.oist.jp/qwmu/tsumoru-shintake https://groups.oist.jp/qwmu/tsumoru-shintake This does indeed appear to be a serious researcher.

maxander 7y ago

> (Submitted on 15 Mar 2020) I feel like if this would work, it would mean one could inhale vaporized alcohol efficiently enough to get drunk on the vapor alone. And if that were a thing people could do, one would certainly expect it to be familiar from some terrible frat culture shenanigans. ...On the other hand, should be simple enough to get a trial together.

anfilt 7y ago
I don't see this idea working, but normally alcohol also has sugars in it. Even distilled alcohol has sugars. Inhaling sugar sounds like a great way to cause other problem. If this were to have any success the alcohol would have to be extremely pure. also alcohol would also dry out the airways I bet. As to why its not been tried recreationally before. Lower proof alcohol beverages don't vaporize as easily. So other methods would probably work better. Although there is stuff like everclear.
- totony 7y ago
  Any source on this? I'd be surprised if sugar would be in the distillate. It might lower the vapor pressure of alcohol itself but it shouldnt vaporize and recondensate
  - anfilt 7y ago
    What do you thinks gives various distilled spirits there various flavours. Otherewise, you would just use the cheapest sugar to ferment. Also oils and tannins can get distilled too with the alcohol. Its why distilling has what they call different cuts. That depend on temperature and where in the distillation you are in. A vodka would have very little while a brandy will include cuts that have traces of things for flavour.
    - totony 7y ago
      This [0] does not suggest that anything but ethanol/water and potentially some other volatile compounds are in the distillate. I'm not familiar with brewing and flavoring distilled spirits, but quite familiar with distillation and doubt that even oil would be in the distillate. [1] suggests that tannins are present in the distillate, but I have not found a tannin that is volatile and [2] names one that isn't in beer Flavor seems to be added after distillation from what i can see (and is potentially influenced by the volatile impurities) [0] https://www.compoundchem.com/2016/06/08/vodka/ https://www.compoundchem.com/2016/06/08/vodka/ [1] https://vinepair.com/spirits-101/how-distilling-works/ https://vinepair.com/spirits-101/how-distilling-works/

villgax 7y ago

Need testing

fithisux 7y ago

April 1st

1_over_n 7y ago
see above, paper was submitted mid-march.

sbrass 7y ago

As already stated by the other commenters, the author had already submitted the paper to arXiv in mid of March. So, I don't think that it falls in anyway under April's fool (and I don't think that in this serious situation any researcher should do a April's fool paper). Back to its contents, the authors describe the potential destructive action of alcohol on SARS-CoV-2 and its possible application in the respiratory tract, thus, nose, nasal cavity and further. He bases his ansatz on a theoretical approach on diffusing the alcohol from a alcoholic vapor in to the respiratory system. However, as theoretical it may sound, I think it could prove usable, if it is done in a controlled way and may deliver a simple approach to help infected people and saving those.

rurban 7y ago
The usual approach is to use salt, not alcohol. The virus does indeed not like alcohol based sanitizers, but then all respiratory virus illnesses would be treatable with that, and the common treatment is with saltwater. I just got a small tinnitus, which looks like a cold, and for sure I'll be treating it with salt, not whiskey

anfilt 7y ago

if it was not submitted on the 15th I would probably think this was an April fools joke.

rurban 7y ago
The joke via backdating the Cornell site could be a prank by both. Just change 3 dates. Whiskey, Sake, come on. Just the Wodka and Russian coauthor are missing.

pezo1919 7y ago

What about inhaling eucalyptus against SARS-CoV-2 (or influenza)?

Haitischmock 7y ago

Can vape pens be used for this ?

lgats 7y ago

Could this work with a more commonly vaporized alcohol, Ether? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether_addiction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ether_addiction