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Catalina is broken in many ways. This complain and Remote Access in (so I can SSH to my $4k MacBook) disables itself anytime the computer is restarted. But mo
by slovette 7y ago
Catalina is broken in many ways.
This complain and Remote Access in (so I can SSH to my $4k MacBook) disables itself anytime the computer is restarted.
But more importantly, I’ve still not found a Thunderbolt Display that doesn’t routinely crash screen manager services upon idle user activity. 3 x $300 thunderbolt3 dock solutions later and not a one hasn’t crashed this computer. All main brands, two of which sell accessories in the Apple store.
Problem also existed with a top of the line 13” MacBook Pro.
I’ve just gotten used to the shoddy-ness that is Catalina. Figure if I go to the bathroom, upon return I have a fresh, new clean desktop environment. Feature not a bug. Yay!
- unicornmama 7y agoI completely disabled everything to do with sleep. “Solved” the problem for me.
- anonexpat 7y agoThe first thing I install on a fresh Mac is amphetamine.
- SamuelAdams 7y agoJust curious, how is this different from Caffeine? http://lightheadsw.com/caffeine/ http://lightheadsw.com/caffeine/
- blacksmith_tb 7y agoOr just running caffeinate -t 10000?
- wyclif 7y agoOne difference is that Amphetamine isn't updated as well, also seems more hackish. I switched to Caffeine a while ago.
- oefrha 7y agoIt has more features. Check https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/amphetamine/id937984704?mt=12 for details. The one you linked to looks like a simple wrapper of caffeinate(8).
- skoskie 7y agoCaffeine might be better in this scenario, but amphetamine has some auto triggers and custom settings for keeping the system awake but still turning off the screen, etc.
- asveikau 7y agoMaybe I will get flamed for saying it. What a shockingly tasteless name for an app. Edit: guessing that downvoters haven't encountered a lot of people suffering from addiction
- mulmen 7y agoThe most popular third party software installation tool for MacOS is called Homebrew. Alcoholics exist. That doesn't make the name offensive. Amphetamines have legitimate therapeutic uses, it's not only crippling addiction.
- asveikau 7y agoActually you just made a pretty convincing case that Homebrew has similar issues. I am already not a fan of it because I have hit too many amateurish bugs, but now I have another reason. By the way, the word brew is also used for other things, eg. coffee or tea, and homebrew is a common metaphor for other things where amphetamine is unbiguously one thing.
- mulmen 7y agoYeah Homebrew is kind of a bad example. I wish there was at least an option to use descriptive names instead of tortured analogies.
- htfu 7y agoOverdiagnosis & misuse etc aside the number of people using amphetamines therapeutically may well outnumber your "unambiguous" cohort by a larger fraction than drinkers do alcoholics. Tasteless comment.
- asveikau 7y agoI didn't say use was unambiguously non-therapeutic. I said it was unambiguously a drug. There are no famous cultural metaphors analogous to "homebrew computer club" etc. It always refers directly to the substance. Maybe you should consider that a close family member had problems with this very recently before you call me tasteless. It is in fact really fucking stupid that some privileged Mac programmer, probably young and of limited life experience, thinks that is a cutesy name for his (yes I am assuming male) project and not the name of something ruining a lot of lives, probably thinks it's hilarious and clever. He has no taste. Opiates also have legit use. I wouldn't name a project after those either. There is a thing such as tone deafness.
- JoachimS 7y agoMy issue with Catalina is that every time i open up the laptop and log in (so sleep, not reboot) it has forgotten the Apple-ID password and needs to be entered. I've tried all suggested solutions (I'm not alone) including resetting the NVMRAM etc. But so far no luck. I'm holding off installing Catalina on my main machine. And now they seem to focus on 10.16 instead.
- ravishi 7y agoOh, so that's why my computer restarts from time to time when I get away from my desk. And I'm not even on Catalina yet, just use a 13" MacBook Pro.
- FlagsAreFun 7y agoMy 2013 Mac Pro does this too - it's actually (at least in my case) a kernel panic.
- dawnerd 7y agoI've tried to find a thunderbolt3 dock that worked perfectly but none have - not even limited to Catalina. My monitors will randomly switch refresh rates or resolutions or not even display picture. Plug them into a pc and they work every single time.
- 0xff00ffee 7y agoTry a Henge dock. Been using one for 6 years. No monitor or thunderbolt issues.
- dawnerd 7y agoI actually have one but haven't really used it yet since I decided to just use windows and be done with all the mac problems for now. Still use my MBP but only from the couch.
- 0xff00ffee 7y agoWow, there are so many mac problems in your workflow that WINDOWS is easier to use? Ouch.
- dawnerd 7y agoI know, sad right? Thankfully most of the stuff I do is on a dev server so doesn’t really matter. As long as vs code works.
- emmelaich 7y agoI have Catalina. It doesn't play nicely with a Dell D6000 powerbrick / dock. The display is fine but it won't charge at the same time. I have not installed the Dell 'driver'; it loads a kext so probably won't work anyway. I'm not upset about that. Docking should not require a kernel module. That's about it. Catalina has been fine every other way.
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- kerakaali 7y agoThis is why I went back to Mojave. Apple has had a history of breaking dev environments on release for people who don't code under their ecosystem of dev tools (well on second thought, they make life difficult at times even for people that do), and I don't see that trend changing in the future. Eventually every new release has stabilised, but it seems that doesn't hold true for Catalina.
- ImprovedSilence 7y agohaha oh boy. I was actually just about to install Catalina today, figuring I'd put it off long enough and everything has to be smooth by now (and system update bugs me about it often enough)... But lo and behold, I log into HN and see this thread....
- eslaught 7y agoJust FYI, you can disable that notification: https://www.macworld.com/article/3447396/how-to-stop-getting-a-reminder-to-update-to-catalina-in-macos.html https://www.macworld.com/article/3447396/how-to-stop-getting... It does not prevent the red notification dot on the System Preferences app, but it does mean at least you don't get the notifications pop up on your screen.
- KarlKemp 7y agoI’ve had zero problems with Catalina. You can also find complaints about every release of MacOS going back a decade+.
- taormina 7y agoA history of breaking dev environments? I'd argue they have a history of breaking everything on release. I do agree that they have a history of stablizing after a few months, but it's been longer than that.
- djsumdog 7y agoYea, Apple doesn't care about backwards comparability. You can run some ancient 32-bit Windows games on Win 10 (so long as they don't use DRM that uses low-level things like direct CD/DVD I/O). If you have a collection of physical disc Mac games, there is a good chance 0% of them run on 10.15 (or many of the releases leading up to it).
- syndacks 7y agoI had this problem as well on a 13" MacBook Pro. My "fix" was to go HDMI to USB-C (instead of Thunderbold to USB-C). I understand this might not be viable for everyone, but it resolved the issue for me.
- 0xff00ffee 7y ago", I’ve still not found a Thunderbolt Display that doesn’t routinely crash screen manager services upon idle user activity. " I've been using a Dell U2515H for almost six years on my late 2013-model MBP and thunderbolt port, never had an issue. I'm also going through a Henge thunderbolt dock. It's not a macOS problem.
- sitzkrieg 7y agonaive take, i have same problem but if i boot into windows on the mbp it works fine. how do you explain that?
- 0xff00ffee 7y agoTrivially easy to explain: The monitor you have didn't properly implement the Thunderbolt spec, and since Windows has looser adherence to the spec than macOS, things work fine. This happens with web browsers every decade or so. "Browser X" follows the Javascript spec to a tee, which breaks millions of poorly written websites, so "Browser X" has to degrade its performance or lose market share, and thus we have lots of sites that are out of spec. Make sense?
- henriquez 7y agoYour explanation could be plausible but do you have any evidence to back it up? Most curious is the fact that people are complaining about a specific OS version with regard to the problems. Did the spec change between OS releases?
- 0xff00ffee 7y agoNo but the OS could have fixed a bug or tightened the spec. I have evidence in other domains, as per my example. But thanks for moving the goalpost. /salute/ OP asked for an explanation, I gave one. Was it correct? I don't know, I just provide reasoning skills.
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- kevindong 7y agoThe Dell U3419W (with Thunderbolt 3) works exactly as promised for me. https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/accessories/apd/210-arcl https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/accessories/apd/210-arc...
- slig 7y agoI've had a lot of compatibility issues between my U3818DW and macOS and Dell doesn't care. Even more, their support staff on their public forums don't even acknowledge their buggy USB-C implementation and insists on blaming Apple. [1] [1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardware/comments/ettgrg/dell_refusing_to_fix_usbc_pd_bugs_in_their/ https://old.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardware/comments/ettgrg/dell_r...
- acdha 7y agoThat's true for most Macs, too: people are very prone to believing that their experience is universal rather than a hardware failure or local configuration issue.
- kevindong 7y agoFWIW, the monitor I talked about is the standard issue monitor for most employees (~500) at my office. My company has MBPs ranging from 2016 to 2020 of varying sizes and I've never heard anyone say anything negative about the connectivity to their monitor.
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- amaccuish 7y ago> This complain and Remote Access in (so I can SSH to my $4k MacBook) disables itself anytime the computer is restarted. I've found IPv6 stops working after sleep, the appropriate area in the network pane is blank (I use RA not DHCPv6). Since the Mac updates its DNS records and puts IPv6 addresses in I've found accessing via hostname stops working, but then of course I can use the IPv4 address which works fine.
- skoskie 7y agoYep. I turned off ipv6 support on my router an computers, and still use RA. No more issues on local network except one ... the DNS settings on my MacBook constantly revert to a default value, killing my host name access to my docket containers. But at least it’s a quick fix.
- internalthief 7y agoI've been using the Belkin Thunderbolt 3 dock for years now, and have had 0 issues with crashes.
- lostlogin 7y agoI haven’t encountered that, but have other more minor gripes. When in clamshell and an external monitor is plugged in and you restart all you have actually done is shutdown (you you have to open up the laptop and turn it on again). The way things break for ‘security reasons’ which you have to hunt for though the settings page. Eg VMWare Fusion won’t work unless you happen to know that it needs enabling in security settings, but some breakages are even more obscure and don’t generate an error message.
- geerlingguy 7y agoYeah both of my TB3 docks result in crashes after unplugging or plugging in while the display is off. Very annoying behavior.
- lowbloodsugar 7y agoI have two CalDigit TS3+ docks (home and office). At home, I have a 4k monitor in the display port and a Thunderbolt 27" plugged into the TB3 port using an adapter. My previous dock couldnt handle the 27" at all, so I had to plug that in directly to the Mac. Usually when I needed to wake the machine, I had to unplug both the doc and the 27", log in, and then plug them back in again. Now with the CalDigit, it just works. It's also like $300, so I guess TB3 is hard and they know it =) I am still on Mojave tho, so may suck on Catalina.
- TheRealDunkirk 7y agoFigure this is the place to jump in here. I tried a couple cheaper docks and sent them back to Amazon immediately. I bought a CalDigit, and it's been rock solid for many months now. I connect an external display (Asus 27" 4K) to it, remove it, use the built-in display, and use it in clamshell, off and on, all through the day. Not one problem at all. There's no sugar-coating it; they're at the top of the range for TB3 docks, but mine's been worth every penny. I've been on Catalina since launch day.
- ipython 7y agoI know "me too" is discouraged here but yes I have the same experience (Caldigit TS3+ dock, works great in Mojave). Expensive, yes, but at least now it's down to $250 both at apple as well as amazon.
- jiveturkey 7y agoLG 4K works perfectly for me. I've tried every T3 dock available. They all have bugs that render them unusable for me. The one that was the closest to being good -- OWC 12 port I think -- wouldn't tolerate MBP sleep. After wake from overnite sleep (maybe the Mac would go to hibernate -- I didn't investigate further) the dock would need to be reset. I've never had the MPB crash though, but I haven't gone back to trying docks now with Catalina. There certainly is something particular to your environment causing this crash. Such a bug would be in all the news.