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Now I know why it was the only video conferencing service that worked in Dubai. Others, like meet, WhatsApp - video are not working for censorship reasons.

bad_user 7y ago
I'm pretty sure that Google Meet isn't end-to-end encrypted either. Nothing that Google does is. WhatsApp does claim that videos are end-to-end encrypted as well, although given Facebook announced they'll implement client-side agents for processing user data and given its proprietary nature, I avoid WhatsApp for anything very sensitive as well.
- Adverblessly 7y ago
  > I'm pretty sure that Google Meet isn't end-to-end encrypted either. Nothing that Google does is. To the best of my understanding, they say that it is https://support.google.com/a/answer/7582940?hl=en https://support.google.com/a/answer/7582940?hl=en EDIT: On rereading they actually just say that it is encrypted, not neccesarily end-to-end encrypted.
  - viraptor 7y ago
    Google provides close captioning for meet calls. That means it's not E2E. Also pretty much no service can provide multi-party video call with adaptive quality without completely destroying your bandwidth.
    - relaunched 7y ago
      I'm interested in knowing more about why closed captions would imply not end-to-end encrypted. Wouldn't it be possible to build a model and distribute the model with the client-side application, and run it at the edge?
      - krageon 7y ago
        If they did that, everyone would have the model (meaning you would see closed captions in a lot more places, because it would absolutely be stolen).
        munkiefish 7y ago
        Google translate and Google Gboard offer offline voice to text transcription... So it would seem the model is indeed on your device, and Google says as such - http://ai.googleblog.com/2019/03/an-all-neural-on-device-speech.html http://ai.googleblog.com/2019/03/an-all-neural-on-device-spe...
        JetSpiegel 7y ago
        On the ARM TrustZone, maybe? Or whatever co-processor run Widevine.
  - marcinzm 7y ago
    Isn't 128-bit AES and SHA-1 fairly weak encryption nowadays?
    - upofadown 7y ago
      >128-bit AES Perfectly fine... >SHA-1 You missed the important bit: >SHA-1 HMAC Also perfectly fine...
    - ThePowerOfFuet 7y ago
      128-bit AES is not "weak" by any definition of the term. SHA-1 is deprecated but it's good enough for this application for the near future.
- antoinealb 7y ago
  Google Duo is end-to-end encrypted [0]. I don't know about Meet. Disclaimer: Working at Google, in the same org as Duo. [0] http://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en http://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en
  - bad_user 7y ago
    Ah, it's nice to hear that Duo does e2e, thanks.
  - nimrody 7y ago
    Very well explained, too. Great work.

bad_user 7y ago

I'm pretty sure that Google Meet isn't end-to-end encrypted either. Nothing that Google does is. WhatsApp does claim that videos are end-to-end encrypted as well, although given Facebook announced they'll implement client-side agents for processing user data and given its proprietary nature, I avoid WhatsApp for anything very sensitive as well.

Adverblessly 7y ago
> I'm pretty sure that Google Meet isn't end-to-end encrypted either. Nothing that Google does is. To the best of my understanding, they say that it is https://support.google.com/a/answer/7582940?hl=en https://support.google.com/a/answer/7582940?hl=en EDIT: On rereading they actually just say that it is encrypted, not neccesarily end-to-end encrypted.
- viraptor 7y ago
  Google provides close captioning for meet calls. That means it's not E2E. Also pretty much no service can provide multi-party video call with adaptive quality without completely destroying your bandwidth.
  - relaunched 7y ago
    I'm interested in knowing more about why closed captions would imply not end-to-end encrypted. Wouldn't it be possible to build a model and distribute the model with the client-side application, and run it at the edge?
    - krageon 7y ago
      If they did that, everyone would have the model (meaning you would see closed captions in a lot more places, because it would absolutely be stolen).
      - munkiefish 7y ago
        Google translate and Google Gboard offer offline voice to text transcription... So it would seem the model is indeed on your device, and Google says as such - http://ai.googleblog.com/2019/03/an-all-neural-on-device-speech.html http://ai.googleblog.com/2019/03/an-all-neural-on-device-spe...
        JetSpiegel 7y ago
        On the ARM TrustZone, maybe? Or whatever co-processor run Widevine.
- marcinzm 7y ago
  Isn't 128-bit AES and SHA-1 fairly weak encryption nowadays?
  - upofadown 7y ago
    >128-bit AES Perfectly fine... >SHA-1 You missed the important bit: >SHA-1 HMAC Also perfectly fine...
  - ThePowerOfFuet 7y ago
    128-bit AES is not "weak" by any definition of the term. SHA-1 is deprecated but it's good enough for this application for the near future.
antoinealb 7y ago
Google Duo is end-to-end encrypted [0]. I don't know about Meet. Disclaimer: Working at Google, in the same org as Duo. [0] http://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en http://support.google.com/duo/answer/9280240?hl=en
- bad_user 7y ago
  Ah, it's nice to hear that Duo does e2e, thanks.
- nimrody 7y ago
  Very well explained, too. Great work.