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Hopefully we've reconsidered the laws of mathematics in the last few years ... https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathematics-dont-apply-here

Hopefully we've reconsidered the laws of mathematics in the last few years ... https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathematics-dont-apply-here-says-australian-pm/ https://www.newscientist.com/article/2140747-laws-of-mathema... "“The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” said Turnbull. Turnbull’s comments came as he proposed a new law to force tech companies to give security services access to encrypted messages." "The UK home secretary Amber Rudd has previously called encryption “completely unacceptable” and the UK prime minister Theresa May has said that the big internet companies give terrorists “safe spaces” to communicate." Going to have to get over this first :/

ignoramous 7y ago
> The UK home secretary Amber Rudd has previously called encryption "completely unacceptable" ... Theresa May has said that the big internet companies give terrorists "safe spaces" to communicate. Ironically, the UK government in fact uses Zoom for all its meetings depsite privacy and security implications. Saudi Arabia, take note. Ref: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnson-zoom-private-government-meeting-2020-3?IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnson-zo...
- ragebol 7y ago
  So with the right URL, you can tell them yourself!
  - ragebol 7y ago
    Actually: Just a screenshot tweeted by Boris Johnson himself should be enough (if he was faster to tweet it): https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1244985949534199808 https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1244985949534199808
- tonyztan 7y ago
  That's terrible for national security. Zoom engineers are based in China: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/26/zoom-key-profit-driver-ahead-of-ipo-engineers-in-china.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/26/zoom-key-profit-driver-ahead...
  - davedx 7y ago
    Components of the GB 5g network are also being outsourced to China. Some of the ruling party's MP's are not happy about it.
    - bogle 7y ago
      The noisy back-benchers are a little silly as all of Huawei's work is scrutenised: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/huawei-gchq-security-evaluation-uk https://www.wired.co.uk/article/huawei-gchq-security-evaluat... Of course, in the UK, calling Tory back-benchers "a little silly" is an understatement.
      - davedx 7y ago
        Are the NATO countries refusing to use Huawei's work for their 5g networks also all "a little silly"? What if Huawei was Russian, would it still be "a little silly"?
  - krageon 7y ago
    It doesn't matter where they're based. What matters is that Zoom isn't safe by any measure and tells you about that if you spend a little time reading critically.
    - floatingatoll 7y ago
      It’s certainly no less safe than the backdoored-for-decades phone/fax networks used by medical professionals to discuss medical secrets with patients and send prescriptions to pharmacies. It’d be nice if it was more safe, but it’s hard to sink lower than a telco line.
cyphar 7y ago
It goes far further than stupid comments by our (former) prime minister. The current legislation (passed in 2018) allows the government to force the installation of backdoors through a process that doesn't have any judicial overview or substantial public scrutiny whatsoever.
- maze-le 7y ago
  Number one reason we dropped JIRA.
  - sebiol 7y ago
    Out of curiosity, what did you switch to?
  - 101404 7y ago
    Why? How is it related to Jira?
    - lvh 7y ago
      Atlassian is an Australian company, headquartered in Sydney, though the current plc is legally in the UK. (I have no idea if that means they're bound by said backdoor law.)
      - cyphar 7y ago
        They are because they provide services to Australians and have an Australian subsidiary -- just as anyone in Australia must comply with a warrant or any other lawful request by law enforcement.
        marcus_holmes 7y ago
        If they employ a single Aussie developer, or have foreign developers on Australian soil, the government can coerce those developer to insert anything they like.
Veedrac 7y ago
I realize HN will think much the same of it either way, but AFAICT that second quote of yours is a lie; she called WhatsApp's encryption unacceptable, not encryption in general.
- kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
  "Encryption we can't backdoor isn't acceptable"
rurp 7y ago
> The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” said Turnbull. Heh, that reminds me of the Indiana Pi Bill[0], where the state tried to legislate the value of pi to be 3.2. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill
lozf 7y ago
> ... the [former] UK prime minister Theresa May has said that the big internet companies give terrorists “safe spaces” to communicate. Yes, IIRC she also said wanted to enter a dialogue about this "with the people that know the right hashtags"!
- kristianc 7y ago
  That was Amber Rudd.

ignoramous 7y ago

> The UK home secretary Amber Rudd has previously called encryption "completely unacceptable" ... Theresa May has said that the big internet companies give terrorists "safe spaces" to communicate. Ironically, the UK government in fact uses Zoom for all its meetings depsite privacy and security implications. Saudi Arabia, take note. Ref: https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnson-zoom-private-government-meeting-2020-3?IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boris-johnson-zo...

ragebol 7y ago
So with the right URL, you can tell them yourself!
- ragebol 7y ago
  Actually: Just a screenshot tweeted by Boris Johnson himself should be enough (if he was faster to tweet it): https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1244985949534199808 https://twitter.com/BorisJohnson/status/1244985949534199808
tonyztan 7y ago
That's terrible for national security. Zoom engineers are based in China: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/26/zoom-key-profit-driver-ahead-of-ipo-engineers-in-china.html https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/26/zoom-key-profit-driver-ahead...
- davedx 7y ago
  Components of the GB 5g network are also being outsourced to China. Some of the ruling party's MP's are not happy about it.
  - bogle 7y ago
    The noisy back-benchers are a little silly as all of Huawei's work is scrutenised: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/huawei-gchq-security-evaluation-uk https://www.wired.co.uk/article/huawei-gchq-security-evaluat... Of course, in the UK, calling Tory back-benchers "a little silly" is an understatement.
    - davedx 7y ago
      Are the NATO countries refusing to use Huawei's work for their 5g networks also all "a little silly"? What if Huawei was Russian, would it still be "a little silly"?
- krageon 7y ago
  It doesn't matter where they're based. What matters is that Zoom isn't safe by any measure and tells you about that if you spend a little time reading critically.
  - floatingatoll 7y ago
    It’s certainly no less safe than the backdoored-for-decades phone/fax networks used by medical professionals to discuss medical secrets with patients and send prescriptions to pharmacies. It’d be nice if it was more safe, but it’s hard to sink lower than a telco line.

cyphar 7y ago

It goes far further than stupid comments by our (former) prime minister. The current legislation (passed in 2018) allows the government to force the installation of backdoors through a process that doesn't have any judicial overview or substantial public scrutiny whatsoever.

maze-le 7y ago
Number one reason we dropped JIRA.
- sebiol 7y ago
  Out of curiosity, what did you switch to?
- 101404 7y ago
  Why? How is it related to Jira?
  - lvh 7y ago
    Atlassian is an Australian company, headquartered in Sydney, though the current plc is legally in the UK. (I have no idea if that means they're bound by said backdoor law.)
    - cyphar 7y ago
      They are because they provide services to Australians and have an Australian subsidiary -- just as anyone in Australia must comply with a warrant or any other lawful request by law enforcement.
      - marcus_holmes 7y ago
        If they employ a single Aussie developer, or have foreign developers on Australian soil, the government can coerce those developer to insert anything they like.

Veedrac 7y ago

I realize HN will think much the same of it either way, but AFAICT that second quote of yours is a lie; she called WhatsApp's encryption unacceptable, not encryption in general.

kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
"Encryption we can't backdoor isn't acceptable"

rurp 7y ago

> The laws of mathematics are very commendable, but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia,” said Turnbull. Heh, that reminds me of the Indiana Pi Bill[0], where the state tried to legislate the value of pi to be 3.2. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

lozf 7y ago

> ... the [former] UK prime minister Theresa May has said that the big internet companies give terrorists “safe spaces” to communicate. Yes, IIRC she also said wanted to enter a dialogue about this "with the people that know the right hashtags"!

kristianc 7y ago
That was Amber Rudd.