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This misses the point about why it is bad to offend people. A lot of people may find something perfectly acceptable, but that is no reason to be rude to the one

This misses the point about why it is bad to offend people. A lot of people may find something perfectly acceptable, but that is no reason to be rude to the ones who do find it offensive. In this case there are negligible downsides to simple using a different word, and this makes the product more inclusive to a large number of people (maybe small as a percentage, but a large number nonetheless).

anthk 7y ago
Renaming a product won't make it more inclusive. Add features, and stop caring on jargon issues. Real life people won't care at all.
- blululu 7y ago
  Names definitely do make products more or less inclusive, and this is a core part of internationalization. If you call your product 'Anti-Christ', expect that some people will not want to use it. Most communities find certain things offensive, and it is a good idea to be considerate of their feelings and steer clear of them when there is nothing at stake. If this project were just a name change, I would agree that it is a waste of time, but they are also making UI improvements, which in my opinion are badly needed in GIMP. A name change is fine in the context of a UI overhaul and maybe also a good idea since the interface is pretty foundational to the most critical part of the application.
  - Pedrit0 7y ago
    95% of the world population does not know this word and its special meaning...
    - lynndotpy 7y ago
      This 95% is not homogeneously distributed across the world.
      - Pedrit0 7y ago
        Well there is 5% of American ppl. And 95% of the rest of the world. GIMP has been a highly international and famous software for decades and the vast majority of the human beings were not aware that GIMP had a negative meaning in the US. If ever it appears in 6 month that "Glimpse" means "Dirty ol' prostitute" in finnish slang or whatever, do you think that there is going to be another fork with a new name in order to show support for old prostitutes and for the finnish culture ?
        lynndotpy 7y ago
        I'm not sure. I work mainly within that 5% and that is where the name GIMP was a barrier for me. If Glimpse was around at the time, it would have been a good alternative. For what it's worth, the Glimpse FAQ claims to have checked the meaning of "Glimpse" in every known language.
  - Aeolun 7y ago
    That might be true, but they cite the name as the main motivation to change.
Pedrit0 7y ago
Those who spend time and energy in this Glimpse project will never help the inclusion of anyone. They just repackage a software with a new name and a new theme. If the inclusion of some people was their priority, they should work as social workers. They're just wankers who think that renaming other's work will make the world better...
PunksATawnyFill 7y ago
Who is offending anyone? This is a great example of offense being TAKEN, not given. Fake outrage.

anthk 7y ago

Renaming a product won't make it more inclusive. Add features, and stop caring on jargon issues. Real life people won't care at all.

blululu 7y ago
Names definitely do make products more or less inclusive, and this is a core part of internationalization. If you call your product 'Anti-Christ', expect that some people will not want to use it. Most communities find certain things offensive, and it is a good idea to be considerate of their feelings and steer clear of them when there is nothing at stake. If this project were just a name change, I would agree that it is a waste of time, but they are also making UI improvements, which in my opinion are badly needed in GIMP. A name change is fine in the context of a UI overhaul and maybe also a good idea since the interface is pretty foundational to the most critical part of the application.
- Pedrit0 7y ago
  95% of the world population does not know this word and its special meaning...
  - lynndotpy 7y ago
    This 95% is not homogeneously distributed across the world.
    - Pedrit0 7y ago
      Well there is 5% of American ppl. And 95% of the rest of the world. GIMP has been a highly international and famous software for decades and the vast majority of the human beings were not aware that GIMP had a negative meaning in the US. If ever it appears in 6 month that "Glimpse" means "Dirty ol' prostitute" in finnish slang or whatever, do you think that there is going to be another fork with a new name in order to show support for old prostitutes and for the finnish culture ?
      - lynndotpy 7y ago
        I'm not sure. I work mainly within that 5% and that is where the name GIMP was a barrier for me. If Glimpse was around at the time, it would have been a good alternative. For what it's worth, the Glimpse FAQ claims to have checked the meaning of "Glimpse" in every known language.
- Aeolun 7y ago
  That might be true, but they cite the name as the main motivation to change.

Pedrit0 7y ago

Those who spend time and energy in this Glimpse project will never help the inclusion of anyone. They just repackage a software with a new name and a new theme. If the inclusion of some people was their priority, they should work as social workers. They're just wankers who think that renaming other's work will make the world better...

PunksATawnyFill 7y ago

Who is offending anyone? This is a great example of offense being TAKEN, not given. Fake outrage.