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> If you're just looking at VMs you'd probably be better off with something like linode or digital ocean, and get flat monthly fees. Which means you won't lea

> If you're just looking at VMs you'd probably be better off with something like linode or digital ocean, and get flat monthly fees. Which means you won't learn AWS/Azure/etc instead, and they lose mind-share. This is actually an argument for why they SHOULD offer hard limits, not an argument against. If their goal is to push startups/newbies/hobbyists to other platform, they're definitely on the right path. If the goal is to make their cloud services safe to learn/start using, then they could do much better.

oefrha 7y ago
Yeah, for my personal projects I always stick to flat fee hosts like Linode and only ever used AWS for some backup storage in S3, and GCP for a geographical region that Linode doesn’t serve well. And whenever I use the big clouds I get paranoid and have to check billing & usage very often since I’m always just one oops/DDoS away from incurring a large bill, as opposed to the flat fee hosts where I leave shit running for months or years at a time without worrying. (FWIW Amazon Lightsail might be a flat fee service, but I heard performance is pretty bad so never tried it.)
- ghaff 7y ago
  I think even Lightsail can expose you to data transfer overages although I don't know how large a bill those could realistically add up to.
  - oefrha 7y ago
    Yes, Lightsail’s egress overage fee is the same as EC2’s crazy egress pricing (at least $0.09/GB), whereas Linode charges me a much more reasonable $0.01/GB if I go over.
wolco 7y ago
Newbies/hobbyists shouldn't be using aws/azure over digital ocen/vultr/linode unless their hobby is learning aws/azure. Most startups shouldn't either.. if you can't afford to hire an aws/azure expert you shouldn't be using it. You are probably doing it in a way that will cost you in the future.
- Someone1234 7y ago
  > if you can't afford to hire an aws/azure expert you shouldn't be using it. Your logic is a self-contradiction: - You need an expert to use AWS/Azure - It is unsafe to even learn AWS/Azure without already being an expert. Where do these experts come from? Osmosis? If there's no safe way to learn them, and being an expert is a prerequisite to using them, then you've created an artificial self-limiting supply shortage. This is another argument that defeats itself and shows that these limits are absolutely needed to stop a mindshare loss/lack of expertise.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Where do these experts come from? In my case, working for a company that gave me admin access from day one with no practical experience with AWS. Even though I haven’t done anything stupid (yet) and think I know enough not to now, I wouldn’t recommend that....

oefrha 7y ago

Yeah, for my personal projects I always stick to flat fee hosts like Linode and only ever used AWS for some backup storage in S3, and GCP for a geographical region that Linode doesn’t serve well. And whenever I use the big clouds I get paranoid and have to check billing & usage very often since I’m always just one oops/DDoS away from incurring a large bill, as opposed to the flat fee hosts where I leave shit running for months or years at a time without worrying. (FWIW Amazon Lightsail might be a flat fee service, but I heard performance is pretty bad so never tried it.)

ghaff 7y ago
I think even Lightsail can expose you to data transfer overages although I don't know how large a bill those could realistically add up to.
- oefrha 7y ago
  Yes, Lightsail’s egress overage fee is the same as EC2’s crazy egress pricing (at least $0.09/GB), whereas Linode charges me a much more reasonable $0.01/GB if I go over.

wolco 7y ago

Newbies/hobbyists shouldn't be using aws/azure over digital ocen/vultr/linode unless their hobby is learning aws/azure. Most startups shouldn't either.. if you can't afford to hire an aws/azure expert you shouldn't be using it. You are probably doing it in a way that will cost you in the future.

Someone1234 7y ago
> if you can't afford to hire an aws/azure expert you shouldn't be using it. Your logic is a self-contradiction: - You need an expert to use AWS/Azure - It is unsafe to even learn AWS/Azure without already being an expert. Where do these experts come from? Osmosis? If there's no safe way to learn them, and being an expert is a prerequisite to using them, then you've created an artificial self-limiting supply shortage. This is another argument that defeats itself and shows that these limits are absolutely needed to stop a mindshare loss/lack of expertise.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Where do these experts come from? In my case, working for a company that gave me admin access from day one with no practical experience with AWS. Even though I haven’t done anything stupid (yet) and think I know enough not to now, I wouldn’t recommend that....