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lol hn never fails in it's shallow dismissal of an enormous amount of work: as of right now there's a comment on how this textbook is too shallow (I guess if it

lol hn never fails in it's shallow dismissal of an enormous amount of work: as of right now there's a comment on how this textbook is too shallow (I guess if it were a content marketing medium post it would be much better) and how it can't possibly be substantive because it's written in markdown. man what a bastion of intelligent discussion this place is.

eternalban 7y ago
It is fair to point out this is a product of a highly regarded computer science school. So the honest question is: should we subject industry e.g. blogs to the same standard as the academy. I would think we should hold academic products to a much higher standard. I do agree criticism should be constructive. (One of PRs for example noted lack of mention of CSP.)
- throwqwerty 7y ago
  >I would think we should hold academic products to a much higher standard who is we? are you a tt prof at literally the number 1 cs school in the US? are you a reviewer for any distributed journals? the author of this book is a wildly successful researcher. why should i trust literally almost anyone's here opinion over their opinion?
- nogabebop23 7y ago
  Maybe when you're assessing the relative quality we should consider this context with more weight, but should that excuse industry for presenting expertise via a light-weight puff piece PR posting?
- marcosdumay 7y ago
  Hum... It does really depend. Honestly, for me right now, coming from HN into random places, no I don't have different standards. But in a course having a textbook recommendation, yes, the standards are very different. Anyway, you are out on a tangent. The work should be judged based on its quality, and for all the dimensions quality has, the presentation format is not one that matters.
dang 7y ago
Please don't make this place even worse by adding a supercilious dismissal to a shallow one. If you think it's possible for a large, public internet forum not to get a lot of ignorant or shitty comments, that's extremely mistaken. What's necessary is for people who know more to post better ones. Since you seem to know more, you should be helping with that, not adding to the bottom of the barrel by dumping on it. There are excellent comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22710928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22710928 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22709644 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22709644. I'm sure you could write something better if you tried. Indeed, you occasionally have done so.
- throwqwerty 7y ago
  >If you think it's possible for a large, public internet forum not to get a lot of ignorant or shitty comments why is it that the tech subs at reddit don't have the same kind of policing you practice here and are just as productive? i wonder if it's because community policing is more effective than whatever brand of dictatorial policing you practice here hmmmmmm. the only difference between the moderation here and at reddit that i see is your self-importance and the effect it has on anyone who feels they're part of the same self-important rarefied club.
  - dang 7y ago
    Which subreddits are you referring to?
    - throwqwerty 7y ago
      r/programming, r/math, r/physics, r/compsci. All of them don't have nearly the strict moderation you practice here and all of them are great places to have substantive discussion. I'm gonna repeat what I've said many times: by enforcing a strict decorum what you actually accomplish, and I mean exactly you dang, is give the air/pretense of intellectualism without any of the substance. Hence the constant barrage of hypercritical (but superficial) disparaging comments. It's like any other system that privileges one type of language - those that can deploy it effectivity feel empowered and emboldened because they feel they are the defacto ethical/just/concordant. If you wanted proscribe things for the betterment of the community you should proscribe content (e.g. hate speech) rather than language. edit: this comment is the exemplar par excellence of what your rules produce: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17034295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17034295 for many hours it was the highest ranking comment on that post. it is pure invective cloaked in "constructive criticism". it took me pointing outing how absolutely rude it was for it to start bubbling down. i'm not a hero. i'm simply pointing out that it is absolutely necessary to point out when someone is being rude.

eternalban 7y ago

It is fair to point out this is a product of a highly regarded computer science school. So the honest question is: should we subject industry e.g. blogs to the same standard as the academy. I would think we should hold academic products to a much higher standard. I do agree criticism should be constructive. (One of PRs for example noted lack of mention of CSP.)

throwqwerty 7y ago
>I would think we should hold academic products to a much higher standard who is we? are you a tt prof at literally the number 1 cs school in the US? are you a reviewer for any distributed journals? the author of this book is a wildly successful researcher. why should i trust literally almost anyone's here opinion over their opinion?
nogabebop23 7y ago
Maybe when you're assessing the relative quality we should consider this context with more weight, but should that excuse industry for presenting expertise via a light-weight puff piece PR posting?
marcosdumay 7y ago
Hum... It does really depend. Honestly, for me right now, coming from HN into random places, no I don't have different standards. But in a course having a textbook recommendation, yes, the standards are very different. Anyway, you are out on a tangent. The work should be judged based on its quality, and for all the dimensions quality has, the presentation format is not one that matters.

dang 7y ago

Please don't make this place even worse by adding a supercilious dismissal to a shallow one. If you think it's possible for a large, public internet forum not to get a lot of ignorant or shitty comments, that's extremely mistaken. What's necessary is for people who know more to post better ones. Since you seem to know more, you should be helping with that, not adding to the bottom of the barrel by dumping on it. There are excellent comments at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22710928 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22710928 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22709644 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22709644. I'm sure you could write something better if you tried. Indeed, you occasionally have done so.

throwqwerty 7y ago
>If you think it's possible for a large, public internet forum not to get a lot of ignorant or shitty comments why is it that the tech subs at reddit don't have the same kind of policing you practice here and are just as productive? i wonder if it's because community policing is more effective than whatever brand of dictatorial policing you practice here hmmmmmm. the only difference between the moderation here and at reddit that i see is your self-importance and the effect it has on anyone who feels they're part of the same self-important rarefied club.
- dang 7y ago
  Which subreddits are you referring to?
  - throwqwerty 7y ago
    r/programming, r/math, r/physics, r/compsci. All of them don't have nearly the strict moderation you practice here and all of them are great places to have substantive discussion. I'm gonna repeat what I've said many times: by enforcing a strict decorum what you actually accomplish, and I mean exactly you dang, is give the air/pretense of intellectualism without any of the substance. Hence the constant barrage of hypercritical (but superficial) disparaging comments. It's like any other system that privileges one type of language - those that can deploy it effectivity feel empowered and emboldened because they feel they are the defacto ethical/just/concordant. If you wanted proscribe things for the betterment of the community you should proscribe content (e.g. hate speech) rather than language. edit: this comment is the exemplar par excellence of what your rules produce: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17034295 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17034295 for many hours it was the highest ranking comment on that post. it is pure invective cloaked in "constructive criticism". it took me pointing outing how absolutely rude it was for it to start bubbling down. i'm not a hero. i'm simply pointing out that it is absolutely necessary to point out when someone is being rude.