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I don't know about that... I think the only conclusion you could draw from this might be that the market for iOS and Mac _RSS readers_ are almost the same size.

by crabl 7y ago

I don't know about that... I think the only conclusion you could draw from this might be that the market for iOS and Mac _RSS readers_ are almost the same size. You might even be able to stretch it to say they are the _same_ market.

oefrha 7y ago
I wouldn’t even draw that conclusion. NetNewsWire is very old school with an old fan base, and outside its existing fan base I don’t think it’s particularly relevant today (sorry). I doubt a user new to RSS or new to RSS reader on Apple platforms today would land on NNW. (I’m a longtime Reeder user.)
- jolux 7y ago
  The new NNW is a total rewrite which started off as a different app.
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    Kinda. The original NetNewsWire was made by the same guy behind the current NetNewsWire. It's just that there was a period in between where NetNewsWire was owned and developed by someone else.
    - leejoramo 7y ago
      Same guy. 100% different project. He required the NetNewsWire name well after the start of this new open source RSS reader.
      - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
        If it does the same thing and has the same name and creator, is it really a different project? Many software releases are actually complete rewrites under the hood. The only reason what became Net News Wire 5 originally had a different name is because NNW was owned by BlackPixel at that point.
        Fnoord 7y ago
        In this case, the major version of the software was increased (ie. NetNewsWire 5.0).
        jolux 7y ago
        >If it does the same thing and has the same name and creator, is it really a different project? Yes? I don't even understand how this is a question. >The only reason what became Net News Wire 5 originally had a different name is because NNW was owned by BlackPixel at that point. From the post announcing the new name (https://inessential.com/2018/08/31/netnewswire_comes_home https://inessential.com/2018/08/31/netnewswire_comes_home): >You probably know that I’ve been working on a free and open source reader named Evergreen. Evergreen 1.0 will be renamed NetNewsWire 5.0 — in other words, I’ve been working on NetNewsWire 5.0 all this time without knowing it! There's no evidence there is supposed to be continuity between the projects other than the name changing. You can say it's old school but the entire thing is written in Swift to modern UI standards. Not sure what more you could ask for.
        Wowfunhappy 7y ago
        > Yes? I don't even understand how this is a question. Well that's where we philosophically disagree I guess. To me, version 10 of Mac OS is still the continuation of version 9 of Mac OS, even though they're fundamentally different systems under the hood.
        jolux 7y ago
        >To me, version 10 of Mac OS is still the continuation of version 9 of Mac OS, even though they're fundamentally different systems under the hood. Sure, and it carries over certain parts and leaves out others. Substantially similar? I'll buy that. Arguably the same thing, ontologically? I think that's a lot harder to prove, which is what the OP I replied to was saying.
- mrzool 7y ago
  Being a heavy, long-time RSS user and having tested both the macOS and iOS app of NNW, I think you’re wrong. NNW it’s incredibly well-done, fast and polished, and it’s the best RSS app I’ve ever used, and I’ve used plenty. It’s not unrealistic to think it will become successful and relevant, maybe even contribute to a resurgence of RSS and bring in new users, given enough time.
liamcardenas 7y ago
Or the Mac market is so much smaller that the iOS market that there is practically no competition for an in-demand RSS reader on Mac and barely any space to enter the market on iOS.
Wowfunhappy 7y ago
Isn't that weird though? Isn't reading the news the sort of thing you'd do on your phone more often than your computer?
- crooked-v 7y ago
  The overwhelming majority of people don't even know that RSS readers are an option to read the news.
  - justizin 7y ago
    I think the term "news" is being stretched here..
_jal 7y ago
This was my first thought. Especially as I would guess that Mac users who use RSS readers are extremely likely to have both Macs and iPhones and install their RSS reader on of them. (I fall in to this bucket.)

by crabl 7y ago

oefrha 7y ago

I wouldn’t even draw that conclusion. NetNewsWire is very old school with an old fan base, and outside its existing fan base I don’t think it’s particularly relevant today (sorry). I doubt a user new to RSS or new to RSS reader on Apple platforms today would land on NNW. (I’m a longtime Reeder user.)

jolux 7y ago
The new NNW is a total rewrite which started off as a different app.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  Kinda. The original NetNewsWire was made by the same guy behind the current NetNewsWire. It's just that there was a period in between where NetNewsWire was owned and developed by someone else.
  - leejoramo 7y ago
    Same guy. 100% different project. He required the NetNewsWire name well after the start of this new open source RSS reader.
    - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
      If it does the same thing and has the same name and creator, is it really a different project? Many software releases are actually complete rewrites under the hood. The only reason what became Net News Wire 5 originally had a different name is because NNW was owned by BlackPixel at that point.
      - Fnoord 7y ago
        In this case, the major version of the software was increased (ie. NetNewsWire 5.0).
      - jolux 7y ago
        >If it does the same thing and has the same name and creator, is it really a different project? Yes? I don't even understand how this is a question. >The only reason what became Net News Wire 5 originally had a different name is because NNW was owned by BlackPixel at that point. From the post announcing the new name (https://inessential.com/2018/08/31/netnewswire_comes_home https://inessential.com/2018/08/31/netnewswire_comes_home): >You probably know that I’ve been working on a free and open source reader named Evergreen. Evergreen 1.0 will be renamed NetNewsWire 5.0 — in other words, I’ve been working on NetNewsWire 5.0 all this time without knowing it! There's no evidence there is supposed to be continuity between the projects other than the name changing. You can say it's old school but the entire thing is written in Swift to modern UI standards. Not sure what more you could ask for.
        Wowfunhappy 7y ago
        > Yes? I don't even understand how this is a question. Well that's where we philosophically disagree I guess. To me, version 10 of Mac OS is still the continuation of version 9 of Mac OS, even though they're fundamentally different systems under the hood.
        jolux 7y ago
        >To me, version 10 of Mac OS is still the continuation of version 9 of Mac OS, even though they're fundamentally different systems under the hood. Sure, and it carries over certain parts and leaves out others. Substantially similar? I'll buy that. Arguably the same thing, ontologically? I think that's a lot harder to prove, which is what the OP I replied to was saying.
mrzool 7y ago
Being a heavy, long-time RSS user and having tested both the macOS and iOS app of NNW, I think you’re wrong. NNW it’s incredibly well-done, fast and polished, and it’s the best RSS app I’ve ever used, and I’ve used plenty. It’s not unrealistic to think it will become successful and relevant, maybe even contribute to a resurgence of RSS and bring in new users, given enough time.

liamcardenas 7y ago

Or the Mac market is so much smaller that the iOS market that there is practically no competition for an in-demand RSS reader on Mac and barely any space to enter the market on iOS.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

Isn't that weird though? Isn't reading the news the sort of thing you'd do on your phone more often than your computer?

crooked-v 7y ago
The overwhelming majority of people don't even know that RSS readers are an option to read the news.
- justizin 7y ago
  I think the term "news" is being stretched here..

_jal 7y ago

This was my first thought. Especially as I would guess that Mac users who use RSS readers are extremely likely to have both Macs and iPhones and install their RSS reader on of them. (I fall in to this bucket.)