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Italy and Spain are not developed countries?

by something539953 7y ago

kube-system 7y ago
The US is going to blow past Italy and Spain in a couple of days.
- Tempest1981 7y ago
  The US passed Italy (and China) today. And Spain previously. Although only for cases, not deaths. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
  - yibg 7y ago
    Number of deaths are delayed I assume. We'll see in a week or 2 if it catches up to Italy and Spain.
  - adventured 7y ago
    Italy has a per capita figure six times higher than the US. Spain is five times higher. Switzerland is four to five times higher. France and Germany have per capita rates about twice as high (the French figure is much higher in reality, they're not testing anywhere near as well as Germany). Let me know when the US has six times the per capita cases of Italy, then we'll talk. Italy currently has a death figure roughly 40 times higher per capita than the US. If you scaled it to the US population, it'd be around 50,000 dead. Let me know when the US has a per capita death figure 40 times higher than Italy. Of course nobody wants to look at the disaster going on in the EU. The way the EU has entirely let Italy and Spain down. How Spain is having to beg NATO for supplies because their EU friends are leaving them to fend for themselves. The way China has helped Italy more than the EU. Some more things nobody wants to talk about: the extremely high mortality rates in Italy, Spain, France; the lack of testing in Britain; the lack of basic medical supplies across Western Europe, leaving doctors in Spain and Italy to work with bare hands and without masks; the hyper infection rates among healthcare workers in Western Europe due to poor practices and lack of medical gear; the shift to leaving patients over 60 to die because they can't help them any longer, producing the terrifying death rates in Italy and Spain. "Spanish army finds care home residents 'dead and abandoned'" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52014023 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52014023 Bloomberg: "Spanish Doctors Are Forced to Choose Who to Let Die" http://archive.is/Caj7r http://archive.is/Caj7r "‘We are collapsing’: Virus pummels medics in Spain and Italy" https://apnews.com/7ec91dc45d8d7c2ea86b0a97446a303a https://apnews.com/7ec91dc45d8d7c2ea86b0a97446a303a "Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60. Dr. Gai Peleg told Israeli television that in northern Italy, the orders are not to allow those over 60 access to respiratory machines." https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856 https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-... Bloomberg: "Europe’s Desperate Doctors Are Shielded by Trash Bags" http://archive.is/IRwpy http://archive.is/IRwpy Foreign Policy: "The EU Is Abandoning Italy in Its Hour of Need" http://archive.is/LXzxB http://archive.is/LXzxB “Old people [in Spain] have been abandoned in an astonishing way,” said Carmen Flores, head of patient rights group Defensor del Paciente. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-emergency/two-more-weeks-of-lockdown-as-spains-coronavirus-crisis-worsens-idUSKBN21D0RH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-...
    - kube-system 7y ago
      > Italy currently has a death figure roughly 40 times higher per capita than the US. You're off by an order of magnitude. The US has 260/million and Italy has 1275/million. That's 4.9 times higher, not 40. US cases are currently doubling every 4 days. New cases in Italy have dropped, and they are no longer experiencing exponential growth. If that continues, we'll catch them in about a week.
  - kube-system 7y ago
    By "worst" I am assuming per-capita figures. Obviously the US has a larger population than Spain and Italy, so comparing the raw number of cases isn't a fair comparison. On a per capita basis, we're not quite up there with some of Europe yet, but we will be. But most of the US didn't really get their act together with testing until this week. We're a little delayed both in transmission and in testing, and the US is not showing any deviance from exponential growth at the moment.

Italy and Spain are not developed countries?

kube-system 7y ago

The US is going to blow past Italy and Spain in a couple of days.

Tempest1981 7y ago
The US passed Italy (and China) today. And Spain previously. Although only for cases, not deaths. https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
- yibg 7y ago
  Number of deaths are delayed I assume. We'll see in a week or 2 if it catches up to Italy and Spain.
- adventured 7y ago
  Italy has a per capita figure six times higher than the US. Spain is five times higher. Switzerland is four to five times higher. France and Germany have per capita rates about twice as high (the French figure is much higher in reality, they're not testing anywhere near as well as Germany). Let me know when the US has six times the per capita cases of Italy, then we'll talk. Italy currently has a death figure roughly 40 times higher per capita than the US. If you scaled it to the US population, it'd be around 50,000 dead. Let me know when the US has a per capita death figure 40 times higher than Italy. Of course nobody wants to look at the disaster going on in the EU. The way the EU has entirely let Italy and Spain down. How Spain is having to beg NATO for supplies because their EU friends are leaving them to fend for themselves. The way China has helped Italy more than the EU. Some more things nobody wants to talk about: the extremely high mortality rates in Italy, Spain, France; the lack of testing in Britain; the lack of basic medical supplies across Western Europe, leaving doctors in Spain and Italy to work with bare hands and without masks; the hyper infection rates among healthcare workers in Western Europe due to poor practices and lack of medical gear; the shift to leaving patients over 60 to die because they can't help them any longer, producing the terrifying death rates in Italy and Spain. "Spanish army finds care home residents 'dead and abandoned'" https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52014023 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52014023 Bloomberg: "Spanish Doctors Are Forced to Choose Who to Let Die" http://archive.is/Caj7r http://archive.is/Caj7r "‘We are collapsing’: Virus pummels medics in Spain and Italy" https://apnews.com/7ec91dc45d8d7c2ea86b0a97446a303a https://apnews.com/7ec91dc45d8d7c2ea86b0a97446a303a "Israeli doctor in Italy: We no longer help those over 60. Dr. Gai Peleg told Israeli television that in northern Italy, the orders are not to allow those over 60 access to respiratory machines." https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-We-no-longer-help-those-over-60-621856 https://www.jpost.com/International/Israeli-doctor-in-Italy-... Bloomberg: "Europe’s Desperate Doctors Are Shielded by Trash Bags" http://archive.is/IRwpy http://archive.is/IRwpy Foreign Policy: "The EU Is Abandoning Italy in Its Hour of Need" http://archive.is/LXzxB http://archive.is/LXzxB “Old people [in Spain] have been abandoned in an astonishing way,” said Carmen Flores, head of patient rights group Defensor del Paciente. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-emergency/two-more-weeks-of-lockdown-as-spains-coronavirus-crisis-worsens-idUSKBN21D0RH https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-...
  - kube-system 7y ago
    > Italy currently has a death figure roughly 40 times higher per capita than the US. You're off by an order of magnitude. The US has 260/million and Italy has 1275/million. That's 4.9 times higher, not 40. US cases are currently doubling every 4 days. New cases in Italy have dropped, and they are no longer experiencing exponential growth. If that continues, we'll catch them in about a week.
- kube-system 7y ago
  By "worst" I am assuming per-capita figures. Obviously the US has a larger population than Spain and Italy, so comparing the raw number of cases isn't a fair comparison. On a per capita basis, we're not quite up there with some of Europe yet, but we will be. But most of the US didn't really get their act together with testing until this week. We're a little delayed both in transmission and in testing, and the US is not showing any deviance from exponential growth at the moment.