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In Australia, they closed all the 'non-essential' industries. Which turns out to be about 30% of the workforce. I keep thinking that big shift will be when pe

In Australia, they closed all the 'non-essential' industries. Which turns out to be about 30% of the workforce. I keep thinking that big shift will be when people come out of this they won't allow themselves to be 'non-essential' ever again. They won't take back those jobs, they'll push for agreements that guarantee a safety net.

duxup 7y ago
I wonder how many people feel they have the option to not take back a job? I have such options, exercised them a few years ago when I was 'done' with a particular industry and I wanted to change (networking to web dev, I'm so much happier with my work now), but my ability to do so was largely because the job I had done was a pretty good job pay wise (so I could save) / I received a severance, etc. The jobs that are getting shutdown are different / the people I suspect have fewer options.... at least in the US.
- gonzo41 7y ago
  When I think about the people who won't take back their jobs, I think about the business owners mostly. Australians love cafe culture and 6 months ago, if you opened a cafe in the Sydney CBD and if you could make good fast coffee, you'd have a great trade with good revenue to match. But now, those small business owners are going to lose business and homes. And a lot of workers may come back, but they won't stay. It's really really bad because we don't have a lot of industries that have openings that can just absorb new hires. Industry doesn't train up people any more, maybe that trend will revert but I really worry for a bubble of people in my community that may loose out and never get a strong footing back.
- ntsplnkv2 7y ago
  > I wonder how many people feel they have the option to not take back a job? This is exactly why social safety nets are limited in the US. A social safety net drives up wages. Workers no longer rely upon a job to the degree they did before. So it raises wages and raises taxes, which raise cost for everyone else. It forces managers to actually pay a living wage and take care of employees, which hurts them because they can't treat people like shit to get good numbers to show their managers.
toomuchtodo 7y ago
> They won't take back those jobs, they'll push for agreements that guarantee a safety net. This event forcing America to adopt more progressive policies after experiencing suffering without them wouldn’t be a bad thing. Sometimes things must get worse for them to get better.
- duxup 7y ago
  >This event forcing America to adopt more progressive policies Most of the legislation is temporary heading into an election. I suspect the GOP would be happy to cut that net ASAP and sadly their own voters would support it.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    I have some models as to how this changes the US electorate, based on the burn rate. Curious to see how right I am.
    - duxup 7y ago
      It feels like we're on the edge of a sea change... but it has seemed that way for decades.
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        History happens gradually, and then suddenly.
- gonzo41 7y ago
  I totally understand that. And you'll probably come out the other side of this with a socialized healthcare system of some sort.
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    Fingers crossed.
- 7y ago

duxup 7y ago

I wonder how many people feel they have the option to not take back a job? I have such options, exercised them a few years ago when I was 'done' with a particular industry and I wanted to change (networking to web dev, I'm so much happier with my work now), but my ability to do so was largely because the job I had done was a pretty good job pay wise (so I could save) / I received a severance, etc. The jobs that are getting shutdown are different / the people I suspect have fewer options.... at least in the US.

gonzo41 7y ago
When I think about the people who won't take back their jobs, I think about the business owners mostly. Australians love cafe culture and 6 months ago, if you opened a cafe in the Sydney CBD and if you could make good fast coffee, you'd have a great trade with good revenue to match. But now, those small business owners are going to lose business and homes. And a lot of workers may come back, but they won't stay. It's really really bad because we don't have a lot of industries that have openings that can just absorb new hires. Industry doesn't train up people any more, maybe that trend will revert but I really worry for a bubble of people in my community that may loose out and never get a strong footing back.
ntsplnkv2 7y ago
> I wonder how many people feel they have the option to not take back a job? This is exactly why social safety nets are limited in the US. A social safety net drives up wages. Workers no longer rely upon a job to the degree they did before. So it raises wages and raises taxes, which raise cost for everyone else. It forces managers to actually pay a living wage and take care of employees, which hurts them because they can't treat people like shit to get good numbers to show their managers.

toomuchtodo 7y ago

> They won't take back those jobs, they'll push for agreements that guarantee a safety net. This event forcing America to adopt more progressive policies after experiencing suffering without them wouldn’t be a bad thing. Sometimes things must get worse for them to get better.

duxup 7y ago
>This event forcing America to adopt more progressive policies Most of the legislation is temporary heading into an election. I suspect the GOP would be happy to cut that net ASAP and sadly their own voters would support it.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  I have some models as to how this changes the US electorate, based on the burn rate. Curious to see how right I am.
  - duxup 7y ago
    It feels like we're on the edge of a sea change... but it has seemed that way for decades.
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      History happens gradually, and then suddenly.
gonzo41 7y ago
I totally understand that. And you'll probably come out the other side of this with a socialized healthcare system of some sort.
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  Fingers crossed.
7y ago