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So i can start to manage save files on my disk? in 2020?? this is absurd. apple should fix their safari bugs first before starting with this nonsense.

henriquez 7y ago
After the number of times my Firefox and Chromium profiles have been wiped clean due to browser or packaging bugs it's become clear to me that localStorage is not the end-all in terms of data persistence. It's always been a "best effort" rather than a guarantee. Browsers offer a lot of useful functionality, but people increasingly expect them to be a replacement or substitute for an operating system, and in terms of being operating systems, they're all pretty lacking. Mozilla learned about this with Firefox OS (it was pretty cool though, RIP)
- davvolun 7y ago
  Not strictly disagreeing with you, but ChromeOS seems to be extremely healthy. Not familiar enough with Firefox OS to know why the disparity though.
  - henriquez 7y ago
    Then that's just my ignorance - I've never used Chrome OS, though I was heartened to see they were migrating to standard PWAs instead of proprietary parts. I worked with Firefox OS back when Mozilla was seeding dev kits to software companies. It was a great concept but really seemed marred by bad hardware and then organizational paralysis. IMO this is one of the greatest missed opportunities of the last decade - an (actually) FOSS alternative to Android and iOS. No one else making attempts in this space right now has close to the same engineering experience as Mozilla. For Safari, Apple adding any PWA features came off as them rolling their eyes, sighing loudly and then putting out a half-assed attempt to deliver years-old standards. And rather than switch to a unified extension architecture like Chrome and Firefox (which they were very close to in previous versions), they've gutted extension support to the point where you need can only bundle very limited extensions with compiled MacOS apps distributed on the App Store. I don't really understand what Apple is even playing at by offering features but not taking them seriously. But I just don't think the LSO expiry move is _that_ user hostile in the scheme of things.
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  Well I've never lost anything other than the list of open tabs, and that's despite using alpha versions of firefox and chrome half the time. Cookies and localStorage aren't guaranteed but they're pretty reliable. I've had more trouble from native phone apps losing data than browsers on all platforms combined.

henriquez 7y ago

After the number of times my Firefox and Chromium profiles have been wiped clean due to browser or packaging bugs it's become clear to me that localStorage is not the end-all in terms of data persistence. It's always been a "best effort" rather than a guarantee. Browsers offer a lot of useful functionality, but people increasingly expect them to be a replacement or substitute for an operating system, and in terms of being operating systems, they're all pretty lacking. Mozilla learned about this with Firefox OS (it was pretty cool though, RIP)

davvolun 7y ago
Not strictly disagreeing with you, but ChromeOS seems to be extremely healthy. Not familiar enough with Firefox OS to know why the disparity though.
- henriquez 7y ago
  Then that's just my ignorance - I've never used Chrome OS, though I was heartened to see they were migrating to standard PWAs instead of proprietary parts. I worked with Firefox OS back when Mozilla was seeding dev kits to software companies. It was a great concept but really seemed marred by bad hardware and then organizational paralysis. IMO this is one of the greatest missed opportunities of the last decade - an (actually) FOSS alternative to Android and iOS. No one else making attempts in this space right now has close to the same engineering experience as Mozilla. For Safari, Apple adding any PWA features came off as them rolling their eyes, sighing loudly and then putting out a half-assed attempt to deliver years-old standards. And rather than switch to a unified extension architecture like Chrome and Firefox (which they were very close to in previous versions), they've gutted extension support to the point where you need can only bundle very limited extensions with compiled MacOS apps distributed on the App Store. I don't really understand what Apple is even playing at by offering features but not taking them seriously. But I just don't think the LSO expiry move is _that_ user hostile in the scheme of things.
Dylan16807 7y ago
Well I've never lost anything other than the list of open tabs, and that's despite using alpha versions of firefox and chrome half the time. Cookies and localStorage aren't guaranteed but they're pretty reliable. I've had more trouble from native phone apps losing data than browsers on all platforms combined.