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Punjab (the state I'm in atm) Police is handing out light punishment to anyone found flouting the rules of the curfew (Punjab is one of the states which have im

Punjab (the state I'm in atm) Police is handing out light punishment to anyone found flouting the rules of the curfew (Punjab is one of the states which have imposed full blown curfew instead of the lockdown). Punishments include doing situps, holding ears, rolling around in the dirt, making lines in the dirt with your nose, and light beating with batons. While some may consider it a human rights violation, I think it's much better than burdening the poor with criminal cases. In fact, in most of the cases people prefer to get this light punishment instead of getting charged with a crime.

kypro 7y ago
Mandatory situps as a punishment sounds like a good idea honestly. I'd have no issues police offering that as an alternative to a fine in the UK for petty crimes. Not so sure about the others though, but fair enough if it works for you guys.
- dominotw 7y ago
  police also executes people they deem unworthy of wasting courts time. proof: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262
  - silentsea90 7y ago
    can confirm, i died.
  - dang 7y ago
    "Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." The parent comment had one foot on each iceberg, but this is completely unmoored. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - dominotw 7y ago
      ok I was citing this as an example of slippery slope of this thought process > I'd have no issues police offering that as an alternative to a fine in the UK for petty crimes It was completly criticized even india. pretty sure its not controversial flamewar. Anyways. I understand. won't happen again.
- lkq10 7y ago
  How about cleaning the pavement with a toothbrush? Worked in Germany in the 1930s. Seriously, I'm astonished about the rise of people advocating dehumanizing authoritarian measures here.
  - belltaco 7y ago
    How is a criminal record and being unable to get jobs for a long time more human punishment?
- papreclip 7y ago
  I'd rather get hit with a switch a couple times than be prosecuted for a crime myself, but it's a terrible direction for society to take. You will never be able to restrict police, who are only human, to physically assaulting people only when society deems it appropriate. We have enough trouble as it is with police abuse
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Mandatory situps as a punishment sounds like a good idea honestly It's rather unequal (for some people it's literally not a punishment, for others it's tortuous), and (less so if it is a voluntary alternative to a citation which has usual due process) it is also a denial of due process if it is summary punishment instituted by the police without judicial oversight.
billfruit 7y ago
I feel that isn't really humane. The people found violating curfew could just be educated on why restriction is necessary and what their rights are in present situation, whom they can appeal to if they are not satisfied with the explanation. Instead, they are subjected to humiliating corporal punishment. This can't be good advertisement for the country.
- mdgrech23 7y ago
  I take it you've never been to India. In many parts criminal punishment is still dealt out by a mob literally beating the guilty party.
  - restalis 7y ago
    I've been to India, but I never had the "pleasure" of encountering anything like what you describe. Is that mob beating a kind of sentence (i.e. legally commissioned) or is it something one may face anywhere else with people taking justice in their own hands?
    - econcon 7y ago
      It's the later. Heck, if you crash into someone's car, police might not arrive at the place and the guy whoes new car got fucked, might destroy your face.
  - viklove 7y ago
    There's a huge difference between mob justice and a policy set by the state directly.
- sbmthakur 7y ago
  > The people found violating curfew could just be educated on why restriction is necessary and what their rights are in present situation, whom they can appeal to if they are not satisfied with the explanation. Unfortunately, that's not likely to work in all parts of India. We cannot expect all first-world practices to work in developing countries.
mirchibajji 7y ago
I've seen a few videos shared on WhatsApp. Here's a sample on YouTube Edit: A better link (warning: police hitting people with a cane): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNQ_V-Ol78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNQ_V-Ol78 I also came across this one: https://government.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/governance/curfew-imposed-telangana-cm-warns-of-shoot-at-sight-orders-if-violated/74797582 https://government.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/governa... To be clear, I don't think this will actually be enforced
- zapdrive 7y ago
  >> To be clear, I don't think this will actually be enforced In my opinion, Army will be called if the police is not sufficient to enforce this.

kypro 7y ago

Mandatory situps as a punishment sounds like a good idea honestly. I'd have no issues police offering that as an alternative to a fine in the UK for petty crimes. Not so sure about the others though, but fair enough if it works for you guys.

dominotw 7y ago
police also executes people they deem unworthy of wasting courts time. proof: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50682262
- silentsea90 7y ago
  can confirm, i died.
- dang 7y ago
  "Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents." The parent comment had one foot on each iceberg, but this is completely unmoored. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - dominotw 7y ago
    ok I was citing this as an example of slippery slope of this thought process > I'd have no issues police offering that as an alternative to a fine in the UK for petty crimes It was completly criticized even india. pretty sure its not controversial flamewar. Anyways. I understand. won't happen again.
lkq10 7y ago
How about cleaning the pavement with a toothbrush? Worked in Germany in the 1930s. Seriously, I'm astonished about the rise of people advocating dehumanizing authoritarian measures here.
- belltaco 7y ago
  How is a criminal record and being unable to get jobs for a long time more human punishment?
papreclip 7y ago
I'd rather get hit with a switch a couple times than be prosecuted for a crime myself, but it's a terrible direction for society to take. You will never be able to restrict police, who are only human, to physically assaulting people only when society deems it appropriate. We have enough trouble as it is with police abuse
dragonwriter 7y ago
> Mandatory situps as a punishment sounds like a good idea honestly It's rather unequal (for some people it's literally not a punishment, for others it's tortuous), and (less so if it is a voluntary alternative to a citation which has usual due process) it is also a denial of due process if it is summary punishment instituted by the police without judicial oversight.

billfruit 7y ago

I feel that isn't really humane. The people found violating curfew could just be educated on why restriction is necessary and what their rights are in present situation, whom they can appeal to if they are not satisfied with the explanation. Instead, they are subjected to humiliating corporal punishment. This can't be good advertisement for the country.

mdgrech23 7y ago
I take it you've never been to India. In many parts criminal punishment is still dealt out by a mob literally beating the guilty party.
- restalis 7y ago
  I've been to India, but I never had the "pleasure" of encountering anything like what you describe. Is that mob beating a kind of sentence (i.e. legally commissioned) or is it something one may face anywhere else with people taking justice in their own hands?
  - econcon 7y ago
    It's the later. Heck, if you crash into someone's car, police might not arrive at the place and the guy whoes new car got fucked, might destroy your face.
- viklove 7y ago
  There's a huge difference between mob justice and a policy set by the state directly.
sbmthakur 7y ago
> The people found violating curfew could just be educated on why restriction is necessary and what their rights are in present situation, whom they can appeal to if they are not satisfied with the explanation. Unfortunately, that's not likely to work in all parts of India. We cannot expect all first-world practices to work in developing countries.

mirchibajji 7y ago

I've seen a few videos shared on WhatsApp. Here's a sample on YouTube Edit: A better link (warning: police hitting people with a cane): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNQ_V-Ol78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wNQ_V-Ol78 I also came across this one: https://government.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/governance/curfew-imposed-telangana-cm-warns-of-shoot-at-sight-orders-if-violated/74797582 https://government.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/governa... To be clear, I don't think this will actually be enforced

zapdrive 7y ago
>> To be clear, I don't think this will actually be enforced In my opinion, Army will be called if the police is not sufficient to enforce this.