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Real developers use a CMS to build a showcase website with Netlify and Nuxtjs

15 points by jeremiec 7y ago

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robertoandred 7y ago
Pssh, REAL developers use Dreamweaver.
- _ZeD_ 7y ago
  real developers use vba!
- slater 7y ago
  Nice try, amateur. Professionals use Frontpage, with the robust, server-side eco-system of Frontpage extensions.
  - bdcravens 7y ago
    In 1998 I was being paid to build Frontpage sites :-)
    - znpy 7y ago
      Because you were a professional, as the post you replied to implied.
mbanzi 7y ago
What is a "real" developer?
- _ZeD_ 7y ago
  https://xkcd.com/378/ https://xkcd.com/378/ -- or, if you prefer, there is the venerable https://web.mit.edu/humor/Computers/real.programmers https://web.mit.edu/humor/Computers/real.programmers
- runawaybottle 7y ago
  You must use graphql for even the simplest of apis.
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thatguyagain 7y ago
I'm an unreal developer, yay!
- jeremiec 7y ago
  Or an imaginary developer?
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dinkleberg 7y ago
I’d think a real developer would know how to best allocate their time. If a standard WordPress blog gets the job done, spending tens to hundreds of hours custom building your site when the purpose is the content, not the site itself, it seem like time not well spent.
- runawaybottle 7y ago
  This is the deep in my gut feeling I’m getting as well. I’m trying to be objective and possibly accept that perhaps I’m just getting older, but good god, this seems like a massive waste of time for what is essentially a wordpress site lol.
  - 52-6F-62 7y ago
    If you've ever had to work with legacy code on a WordPress project at scales [WP wasn't intended for] your feelings might differ. The horror... It's great for small sites and less-technical users, but for some applications I've seen it squeezed and wedged and crammed into... The horror...
- thesimon 7y ago
  Or something like Hugo or Jekyll if it's supposed to be static and markdown is fine.
- moron4hire 7y ago
  WordPress is a terrible example, though.
  - thrownaway954 7y ago
    no it isn't. wordpress is extremely powerful and easy for others to wrap their head around. if you haven't checked it out in awhile i suggest you do.
- jeremiec 7y ago
  I completely agree with you, when all you want is to display basic content WordPress is a great tool (+1 for Hugo suggestion from thesimon). However my personal experience with WordPress for larger project isn't as great. More and more businesses want interactions, fast navigation, etc. which are easier to deliver with progressive web apps than traditional websites that's why I choose this custom and more time consuming solution.
ovulator 7y ago
The missing "How" at the beginning of the headline really makes a difference in the sentence's meaning.
- bdcravens 7y ago
  There's a lot going wrong with that headline. I didn't really see "showcase websites" being highlighted either. It's a decent tutorial on Contentful, Nuxt, and Netlify, but I feel like the title is trying to deliver something else.
  - jeremiec 7y ago
    By showcase websites, I meant websites with no user-customized content.
- jeremiec 7y ago
  That's very true and a stupid mistake from my part.
bdcravens 7y ago
I'm down with using a CMS. Our company is driven by a completely custom-developed data and background processing pipeline, yet our public website is in Wordpress, because it's the best solution for the stakeholders that need to manage that website.
bradstewart 7y ago
While I'm certainly glad people seem to be remembering the benefits of server rendered websites, the fact that this "renaissance" is powered by client side frameworks still feels... odd.
thrownaway954 7y ago
this post should be title "how i wasted hundreds of hours doing a simple task and now need to justify it" use the right tool for the job... a real developer would know that. this dude doesn't know what he's doing.
pembrook 7y ago
All that work, and you still need to manually generate proper meta tags and structured data for SEO—and then add custom functionality for editing that in contentful. And then the client’s marketing team realizes they need AMP support, so you have to manually build that since most static site generators aren’t designed for that. And then the client sees a competitor has ESP integration in their Wordpress admin and can send newsletters in the same place they publish content—-so you have to custom build that. And then the client suddenly needs to add payment integration and e-commerce capabilities. And then they need to generate one-off marketing landing pages without needing to call you. And so on. And then 300 hours later you realize that the entire static site ecosystem is designed for developer pleasure, instead of the needs of real businesses. And after you add the things real businesses need, you kinda just wasted months recreating Wordpress. And you realize you probably should have just used Wordpress. [this has been my realization over the past couple of years trying to shoehorn clients into static sites]
- jeremiec 7y ago
  Thank you for your feedback, I do agree with you on most points: this solution can't and isn't meant to replace what a fully-fledged WordPress can offer you. However, I trust that assembling smaller single propose pieces of software can offer just as many functionalities with better control over what's happening. By the way, with this solution an AMP support isn't required as you can serve the same content to mobile users, leaving most of the heavy work to the CMS to optimize the assets (images for a classic example).
ykevinator 7y ago
Real developers use a cms?
- jeremiec 7y ago
  Real developers use a content management system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system
znpy 7y ago
"Real Developer" -- I mean, besides scammers, is there such a thing like a "Fake developer" ? I mean, if someone hires me as a Developer, and I happen to be real, does that qualify me as a "Real Developer" ?

15 points by jeremiec 7y ago

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robertoandred 7y ago

Pssh, REAL developers use Dreamweaver.

_ZeD_ 7y ago
real developers use vba!
slater 7y ago
Nice try, amateur. Professionals use Frontpage, with the robust, server-side eco-system of Frontpage extensions.
- bdcravens 7y ago
  In 1998 I was being paid to build Frontpage sites :-)
  - znpy 7y ago
    Because you were a professional, as the post you replied to implied.

mbanzi 7y ago

What is a "real" developer?

_ZeD_ 7y ago
https://xkcd.com/378/ https://xkcd.com/378/ -- or, if you prefer, there is the venerable https://web.mit.edu/humor/Computers/real.programmers https://web.mit.edu/humor/Computers/real.programmers
runawaybottle 7y ago
You must use graphql for even the simplest of apis.

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thatguyagain 7y ago

I'm an unreal developer, yay!

jeremiec 7y ago
Or an imaginary developer?

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dinkleberg 7y ago

I’d think a real developer would know how to best allocate their time. If a standard WordPress blog gets the job done, spending tens to hundreds of hours custom building your site when the purpose is the content, not the site itself, it seem like time not well spent.

runawaybottle 7y ago
This is the deep in my gut feeling I’m getting as well. I’m trying to be objective and possibly accept that perhaps I’m just getting older, but good god, this seems like a massive waste of time for what is essentially a wordpress site lol.
- 52-6F-62 7y ago
  If you've ever had to work with legacy code on a WordPress project at scales [WP wasn't intended for] your feelings might differ. The horror... It's great for small sites and less-technical users, but for some applications I've seen it squeezed and wedged and crammed into... The horror...
thesimon 7y ago
Or something like Hugo or Jekyll if it's supposed to be static and markdown is fine.
moron4hire 7y ago
WordPress is a terrible example, though.
- thrownaway954 7y ago
  no it isn't. wordpress is extremely powerful and easy for others to wrap their head around. if you haven't checked it out in awhile i suggest you do.
jeremiec 7y ago
I completely agree with you, when all you want is to display basic content WordPress is a great tool (+1 for Hugo suggestion from thesimon). However my personal experience with WordPress for larger project isn't as great. More and more businesses want interactions, fast navigation, etc. which are easier to deliver with progressive web apps than traditional websites that's why I choose this custom and more time consuming solution.

ovulator 7y ago

The missing "How" at the beginning of the headline really makes a difference in the sentence's meaning.

bdcravens 7y ago
There's a lot going wrong with that headline. I didn't really see "showcase websites" being highlighted either. It's a decent tutorial on Contentful, Nuxt, and Netlify, but I feel like the title is trying to deliver something else.
- jeremiec 7y ago
  By showcase websites, I meant websites with no user-customized content.
jeremiec 7y ago
That's very true and a stupid mistake from my part.

bdcravens 7y ago

I'm down with using a CMS. Our company is driven by a completely custom-developed data and background processing pipeline, yet our public website is in Wordpress, because it's the best solution for the stakeholders that need to manage that website.

bradstewart 7y ago

While I'm certainly glad people seem to be remembering the benefits of server rendered websites, the fact that this "renaissance" is powered by client side frameworks still feels... odd.

thrownaway954 7y ago

this post should be title "how i wasted hundreds of hours doing a simple task and now need to justify it" use the right tool for the job... a real developer would know that. this dude doesn't know what he's doing.

pembrook 7y ago

All that work, and you still need to manually generate proper meta tags and structured data for SEO—and then add custom functionality for editing that in contentful. And then the client’s marketing team realizes they need AMP support, so you have to manually build that since most static site generators aren’t designed for that. And then the client sees a competitor has ESP integration in their Wordpress admin and can send newsletters in the same place they publish content—-so you have to custom build that. And then the client suddenly needs to add payment integration and e-commerce capabilities. And then they need to generate one-off marketing landing pages without needing to call you. And so on. And then 300 hours later you realize that the entire static site ecosystem is designed for developer pleasure, instead of the needs of real businesses. And after you add the things real businesses need, you kinda just wasted months recreating Wordpress. And you realize you probably should have just used Wordpress. [this has been my realization over the past couple of years trying to shoehorn clients into static sites]

jeremiec 7y ago
Thank you for your feedback, I do agree with you on most points: this solution can't and isn't meant to replace what a fully-fledged WordPress can offer you. However, I trust that assembling smaller single propose pieces of software can offer just as many functionalities with better control over what's happening. By the way, with this solution an AMP support isn't required as you can serve the same content to mobile users, leaving most of the heavy work to the CMS to optimize the assets (images for a classic example).

ykevinator 7y ago

Real developers use a cms?

jeremiec 7y ago
Real developers use a content management system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_system

znpy 7y ago

"Real Developer" -- I mean, besides scammers, is there such a thing like a "Fake developer" ? I mean, if someone hires me as a Developer, and I happen to be real, does that qualify me as a "Real Developer" ?