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> Linux in mind and use stable software packages then you have little to worry about Linux, and by that I mean all distros, have always had difficulties with

> Linux in mind and use stable software packages then you have little to worry about Linux, and by that I mean all distros, have always had difficulties with basic things such as wifi or hibernation for the better part of the past twenty years. It's baffling to me this is still an issue in 2020.

vbezhenar 7y ago
I don't understand why Linux still does not have reliable hibernation. Sleep requires working with BIOS and other hardware components, so I could understand that without proper drivers things might be shaky. But hibernate is hardware-agnostic feature so it should be rock-solid by now.
- bitwize 7y ago
  No, it's not really. There's ACPI, but a combination of wiggle room in the standard and vendors saying fuck you to any attempt at rigorous compliance testing means that there's no way to assure that any ACPI implementation will work with drivers the vendor didn't write. The whole state of the PC industry is "does Windows boot/run with this? It does? Ship it."
  - dragosmocrii 7y ago
    Sounds kinda like most web development: if it runs on Chrome, it's good enough. (Guilty myself)
  - xvilka 7y ago
    Even in Windows they have to workaround some stupid bugs from the OEM or ODM side.
dash2 7y ago
Maybe economics can help. When anyone else can resell your code, your work becomes a public good. Public goods are underprovided in equilibrium.
- dmix 7y ago
  I was reading about who supports i915 and it looks like it was started by a company Tungsten Graphics which got sold to VMWare in 2008. I'm curious if over time the people at VMWare working on it left or put less effort into the codebase (they did a big shakeup of the company in 2016). If that's the case hopefully it gets more attention eventually. Often with OSS it's some random developer working at some big company supporting these various drivers, not just people in their spare time. This will always be problem with all software that changes, especially ones supporting hardware that also constantly evolves.
IOT_Apprentice 7y ago
Perhaps System76 should provide Linus with a free laptop to see what the issues are from a Linux standpoint and get them fixed. I think he was using desktops mostly. Probably because of compile times.

vbezhenar 7y ago

I don't understand why Linux still does not have reliable hibernation. Sleep requires working with BIOS and other hardware components, so I could understand that without proper drivers things might be shaky. But hibernate is hardware-agnostic feature so it should be rock-solid by now.

bitwize 7y ago
No, it's not really. There's ACPI, but a combination of wiggle room in the standard and vendors saying fuck you to any attempt at rigorous compliance testing means that there's no way to assure that any ACPI implementation will work with drivers the vendor didn't write. The whole state of the PC industry is "does Windows boot/run with this? It does? Ship it."
- dragosmocrii 7y ago
  Sounds kinda like most web development: if it runs on Chrome, it's good enough. (Guilty myself)
- xvilka 7y ago
  Even in Windows they have to workaround some stupid bugs from the OEM or ODM side.

dash2 7y ago

Maybe economics can help. When anyone else can resell your code, your work becomes a public good. Public goods are underprovided in equilibrium.

dmix 7y ago
I was reading about who supports i915 and it looks like it was started by a company Tungsten Graphics which got sold to VMWare in 2008. I'm curious if over time the people at VMWare working on it left or put less effort into the codebase (they did a big shakeup of the company in 2016). If that's the case hopefully it gets more attention eventually. Often with OSS it's some random developer working at some big company supporting these various drivers, not just people in their spare time. This will always be problem with all software that changes, especially ones supporting hardware that also constantly evolves.

IOT_Apprentice 7y ago

Perhaps System76 should provide Linus with a free laptop to see what the issues are from a Linux standpoint and get them fixed. I think he was using desktops mostly. Probably because of compile times.