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Is there a reason why China hasn't done massive randomized blood testing in the city of Wuhan, to see what the real spread was? Surely that is data they would d

Is there a reason why China hasn't done massive randomized blood testing in the city of Wuhan, to see what the real spread was? Surely that is data they would desperately want. We know their infections were radically beyond the 80,000 they claim. For exmaple we know they changed their qualifications in late January / early February, to hide infection numbers by dropping non-severe results (which produced a fake taper off in their case expansion at that time). However, it would be an immense service to the world, if we could find out just how widespread the virus really is in populations. If anyone could do a million blood tests in a short amount of time, it would be China. Did herd immunity help China bring the outbreak under control in Wuhan, because it had hyper spread there? It's crazy that we still don't know basic things like this. Has Italy really had 500k-1m cases of it, not 47,000? Such that it took that many cases in the general population, most undocumented, to generate the ICU overload they're seeing. It changes everything about how we handle the virus over the coming months, if it has already spread in large numbers across the population. Some large population country with a lot of infections needs to do this asap. China, US, France, Spain, Italy, Germany. Even Switzerland at this point might give us the data we need. Do they really have 60,000 cases, rather than 6,000?

thrav 7y ago
We don’t have a clue what happened in Wuhan, and it seems pretty clear that China doesn’t want us to know what happened in Wuhan. The leaked videos, and other evidence of things that have happened there are not comforting though.
- tra3 7y ago
  Can you share some leaked videos?
  - ct0 7y ago
    They were posted on Twitter in january
  - thrav 7y ago
    There are a number of different twitter Accounts that post 10-20 videos a day that come out of various WeChat groups. This one that is allegedly cell phones outside of a crematorium is probably the most famous example: https://twitter.com/solomonyue/status/1241166393673801728?s=21 https://twitter.com/solomonyue/status/1241166393673801728?s=... I’ll try to relocate the one primary account I was browsing a while back.
  - thrav 7y ago
    Here we go. This one has constant stream of new videos: https://twitter.com/PhdParody https://twitter.com/PhdParody
christkv 7y ago
The antibody tests needed are quite new and seems to be somewhat more time consuming. They are still trying to keep the virus in check so probably are dedicating all their resources to test for the virus and not immunity. However I’ve wondered if it does not make sense to find all people who have recovered and drafting them to help create a firewall in critical institutions to reduce the contagion rate.
rwmj 7y ago
> We know their infections were radically beyond the 80,000 they claim. [...] they changed their qualifications in late January / early February, to hide infection numbers [...] I think you answered your first question right here. It may not be convenient for the CCP to get to the truth.
- jpxw 7y ago
  Wouldn’t it be in the CCP’s favour to report that the virus has a lower CFR?
  - MikeAmelung 7y ago
    Not if they're gleefully watching "the West" crush themselves in mass panic...
    - cc81 7y ago
      They have shared a lot of data and I've heard scientists in the west to be very thankful over that. Does the tests for antibodies even exists yet? I heard it was some weeks away?
      - MikeAmelung 7y ago
        Well sure, you don't just lay all your cards out on the table when you've got a good hand going. There are already rapid antibody tests available. It's extremely curious to me why they haven't been used or we at least aren't seeing any data that they have. This isn't about a rapid test, but is still interesting: https://globalbiodefense.com/headlines/singapore-first-to-test-out-covid-19-serological-assay-in-outbreak-contact-tracing/ https://globalbiodefense.com/headlines/singapore-first-to-te...
    - nate_meurer 7y ago
      That's not what they're doing. China is losing her biggest customer, possibly for an extended period of time. If America's economy collapses, China's likely will too.

thrav 7y ago

We don’t have a clue what happened in Wuhan, and it seems pretty clear that China doesn’t want us to know what happened in Wuhan. The leaked videos, and other evidence of things that have happened there are not comforting though.

tra3 7y ago
Can you share some leaked videos?
- ct0 7y ago
  They were posted on Twitter in january
- thrav 7y ago
  There are a number of different twitter Accounts that post 10-20 videos a day that come out of various WeChat groups. This one that is allegedly cell phones outside of a crematorium is probably the most famous example: https://twitter.com/solomonyue/status/1241166393673801728?s=21 https://twitter.com/solomonyue/status/1241166393673801728?s=... I’ll try to relocate the one primary account I was browsing a while back.
- thrav 7y ago
  Here we go. This one has constant stream of new videos: https://twitter.com/PhdParody https://twitter.com/PhdParody

christkv 7y ago

The antibody tests needed are quite new and seems to be somewhat more time consuming. They are still trying to keep the virus in check so probably are dedicating all their resources to test for the virus and not immunity. However I’ve wondered if it does not make sense to find all people who have recovered and drafting them to help create a firewall in critical institutions to reduce the contagion rate.

rwmj 7y ago

> We know their infections were radically beyond the 80,000 they claim. [...] they changed their qualifications in late January / early February, to hide infection numbers [...] I think you answered your first question right here. It may not be convenient for the CCP to get to the truth.

jpxw 7y ago
Wouldn’t it be in the CCP’s favour to report that the virus has a lower CFR?
- MikeAmelung 7y ago
  Not if they're gleefully watching "the West" crush themselves in mass panic...
  - cc81 7y ago
    They have shared a lot of data and I've heard scientists in the west to be very thankful over that. Does the tests for antibodies even exists yet? I heard it was some weeks away?
    - MikeAmelung 7y ago
      Well sure, you don't just lay all your cards out on the table when you've got a good hand going. There are already rapid antibody tests available. It's extremely curious to me why they haven't been used or we at least aren't seeing any data that they have. This isn't about a rapid test, but is still interesting: https://globalbiodefense.com/headlines/singapore-first-to-test-out-covid-19-serological-assay-in-outbreak-contact-tracing/ https://globalbiodefense.com/headlines/singapore-first-to-te...
  - nate_meurer 7y ago
    That's not what they're doing. China is losing her biggest customer, possibly for an extended period of time. If America's economy collapses, China's likely will too.