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I’m Bill Gates. AMA about Covid-19
- someonehere 7y agoHe mentions he’s in favor of the MIT created digital tattoo to show when people are vaccinated. I’m not thrilled with the idea of being marked like cattle.
- non-entity 7y agoThis sounds like a great way to fuel antivaxxers tbh
- Retric 7y agoIt’s going to be interesting how antivax people respond if the vaccine is out early enough to be useful.
- non-entity 7y agoI'd wager that theres a big overlap of antivaxxers and people who think the virus is a hoax / media sensationalism
- disgruntledphd2 7y agoBet: Anti-vaxxers will be a much smaller sub-culture after Covid-19 is done with us.
- derrick_jensen 7y agoMicrosoft is behind an initiative called ID2020, which is exactly this. I'd imagine it'll only see use in impoverished nations that don't have proper identification ( he details in Inside Bills Brain on Netflix that a major hurdle to get over is Islamic groups intentionally withdrawing from vaccinations and lying about it)
- tasogare 7y agoIt's a great idea... from tech billionaires point of view. They could then link it to your Windows license, Facebook & Amazon accounts etc and potentially withhold treatments if you're not a good spender. The zero privacy world they dream where they can monetize every bits of our existence will then come true.
- derrick_jensen 7y agoI doubt they would do that
- Kaze404 7y agoWhy give them the option in the first place? It's not like billionaires have a good track record.
- keiferski 7y agoLink for more information: http://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218 http://news.mit.edu/2019/storing-vaccine-history-skin-1218 The whole thing sounds absurd and a huge privacy violation, honestly. Their reasoning is that "..there is little infrastructure for storing medical records, so there’s often no easy way to determine who needs a particular vaccine." So rather than invest in the ancient technology called paper and file cabinets, they need to embed a high-tech tattoo? Mobile phones are pretty ubiquitous in Africa; why not build a vaccine record system based on that instead?
- tcbawo 7y agoIf only we had a system for 'fingerprinting' individuals, and digitizing the results into a searchable 'database'
- gpderetta 7y agoI know! We should use a Blockchain right? /s obviously. Although probably less ridiculous than other uses.
- kaybe 7y agoDoes the US not use the WHO cards? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carte_Jaune https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carte_Jaune
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- imglorp 7y agoIf you think about it, it's a shortcut for drawing blood and analyzing it to see what antibodies are in there. As long as the marker has zero PII, just what vaccine was given, this seems harmless enough and vastly more helpful than the current paper system. The potential for abuse is limited because you need to have the person in front of you, and then the only info is a vector of vaccine administered bits.
- currymj 7y agoin parts of American evangelical Christianity there’s a longstanding interpretation of the “mark of the beast” (which in the Book of Revelation is some sort of sign or mark without which people are forbidden from engaging in trade) as some kind of microchip or RFID implant. I do not expect people who believe this to react well if they literally have to get a microchip implant to be allowed to go into stores or to work. These sorts of beliefs are more common than you might expect in large parts of the country.
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- zackees 7y agoThis AMA is weird. Bill Gates mentions chipping everyone for vaccine purposes. This is at best, extremely inefficient and insecure and open to fraud (I get a chip, and now I can be someone else?). Additionally inserting a chip is traumatic. People don't like the idea of having an electronic microchip embedded in their bodies. Immune systems tend to reject that and bacterial/yeast biofilms tend to grow on implants causing inflammation. It's already been proven that biometrics are the gold standard for identification. You can't swap in someone else biometrics and fraudulently walk around as someone else. And you simply connect these biometrics to a cloud registry and go from there. Why wouldn't we just go with what works? And if you don't consent, do you get locked out of the economy? Or do we hold you down and force inject you with a chip? This implant doesn't make ANY sense and will systematize ID counterfeiting. Shame on Bill Gates. This should be laughed out of the room and then scolded as a human rights violation.
- zbyte64 7y agoI believe context is needed, so here is Bill Gates: "Eventually we will have some digital certificates to show who has recovered or been tested recently or when we have a vaccine who has received it." Either that means a biometrics being signed by 3rd parties or a chip being signed by 3rd parties. At best there are major privacy concerns. But things get weird elsewhere when you have developers talking about "anonymously" tracking people for purposes of identifying contacts. Just because you swap IDs with something random doesn't make it anonymous or safe. "Shit like this is why im a developer." - we have plenty of talent and a plethora of bad ideas
- logjammin 7y agoExcuse a bit of hyperbole, but what sort of medieval nightmare-world are we living in when the citizens of the world's most revered democracy are waiting with bated breath for the pronouncements of the wealthy on fighting a viral pandemic? Gates Foundation, research, etc etc. I get it. He's been involved with health stuff for a while. In theory, too, I'm open to a good idea regardless of its source. But this remains a guy who dollars to doughnuts I'd bet does not know how much milk costs at his supermarket. And he's telling us about chipping and digital tattoos? It'd be legit pretty hilarious if it weren't so insane.
- jlawson 7y agoBill called this years ago. He's also incidentally done more to save lives from disease than possibly any other living human, having prevented millions of deaths by malaria and other illnesses purely because he wanted to. There is lots of other information out there from doctors and scientists. We needed that and we got that. The point here is to get Bill's unique and valuable high-level perspective. Nobody is 'waiting with bated breath for the pronouncements of the wealthy'; this is ridiculous and I think you'll know it if you read it back with even the slightest attempt to look at the situation neutrally.
- foldr 7y ago>Bill called this years ago Pandemics happen from time to time. Anyone can "call" the next pandemic. BG is not an expert on any of this stuff and has nothing to add. We need less noise, not more, at times like this.
- logjammin 7y agoIf he's so prescient about pandemics, why didn't he spend the last 20 years, I don't know, making sure healthcare workers in his own darned city had enough masks and gloves to deal with one? Surely he could've saved a few lives in his own backyard while we was busy in Africa, right?
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- olivermarks 7y agoThis is going to make people who are concerned that there is a global oligarch overlord driven secret plan to dose up the world with vax disguised drugs and chip them for compliance extremely concerned. I'm surprised Gates who 'can't give his money away fast enough for it to not keep growing' has not injected a significant amount of his massive wealth into the wold economy at this critical time. Any of the measures he discusses will need very strong accountability, transparency and data access political control by the people to assuage concerns about fascism.
- vearwhershuh 7y agoHow about these rich guys just open a domestic mask factory or two? I think I'd like to see that as an ante in the "Here is how you should all live going forward" game.
- grugagag 7y agoIts not ethical to overcharge for masks at this point so there’s no profit to be made so it’s not gonna happen
- cobookman 7y agoBecause it takes months to open a mask factory.
- vearwhershuh 7y agoAh, well, that explains it. Mask technology is extremely advanced, after all. And how long does it take to produce a safe, well tested vaccine that we are supposed to give to our kids?
- HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago> And how long does it take to produce a safe, well tested vaccine that we are supposed to give to our kids? Didn't we cover this in SARS-COV-1 and Ebola outbreak 1 and Ebola outbreak 2 and Ebola outbreak 3? It takes a while. Generally months. When one of these shows up, you'll hear some news about an expiremental vaccine and someone volunteering to get it, but it normally takes quite a while- -months- to get all the stuff in place to actually get it to your kids. Betting on a vaccine swooping in to save isn't smart.
- DethNinja 7y agoThis is a total privacy nightmare. It is so sad that billionaires won’t use their wealth for good especially at this pandemic. This can also go much worse than privacy concerns: Year 2040: Now chips contain remote activated doses of poison, if you don't have good social credit or you are at the age of retirement(40) they can remote activate it and kill you.
- drukenemo 7y agoGood to see people are awake.
- eric234223 7y agoMuch more likely scenario is every vehicle runs on closed source software controlled by state government which can halt the movement of the citizen at will based on social credit or any some thing like that.
- broncin_buck 7y agoLike it or not, BG is among the few public figures who currently hold any authority/insight on this situation. Watch his TED Talk from 2015. Look at his Foundation's activity. See Event 201 from 6 months ago: "The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation hosted Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019, in New York, NY. The exercise illustrated areas where public/private partnerships will be necessary during the response to a severe pandemic in order to diminish large-scale economic and societal consequences." (http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/ http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/) So basically as recently as last year he was simulating/preparing for the chaos we are experiencing now: "Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modeled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms. ... There is no possibility of a vaccine being available in the first year. There is a fictional antiviral drug that can help the sick but not significantly limit spread of the disease. ... Since the whole human population is susceptible, during the initial months of the pandemic, the cumulative number of cases increases exponentially, doubling every week. And as the cases and deaths accumulate, the economic and societal consequences become increasingly severe." (http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.htm...) This sounds somewhat similar to what we're experiencing now, and it was Bill Gates who possessed the foresight to see this before anyone else. If anyone knows what's going on and what will happen in the coming future, it's him. Know when to follow. You can question his motives and intentions, but you must recognize his superior knowledge and preparedness.
- mistermann 7y agoI believe your analysis may be somewhat imperfect, I will endeavor to explain my reasoning. If you see flaws in my reasoning, I encourage you to point them out to me so I may sharpen my own logical tools. The way I see it, what you have presented is a narrative. It could be 100% correct, it could be 100% incorrect, and it could be somewhere in between. For the purposes of this exercise, let's assume it is true, or true enough. Once a person holds a narrative such as this in their mind, it subsequently facilitates the ability to make a broad range of very precise predictions, both of the future, and the unknown in general. But don't forget: your mind is producing predictions, but sometimes these predictions have the nasty side effect of not being distinguishable from facts. Fields like psychology, neurology, etc have done significant work studying the particulars of this odd behavior.
- gregoriol 7y agoAt a time when there are so many rumors and wrong information, why is he adding more confusion? he's involved in the efforts, but please let space for doctors and scientists to talk about that subject, we need science to be at the frontline, or people will also be tempted to listen to some crazy Elon Musk or Adam Neumann too...
- ykevinator 7y agoWhy would I ask Bill gates about a virus?
- nouveaux 7y agoBecause he's quite knowledgeable on the subject matter of pandemics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI
- Antoninus 7y agoBillionaires don't give enough! argh